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    Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    People do not have any "right" to this kind of filth
    Yes they do. And if I wanted to, I could exercise said right in 2 minutes of a google search right now.

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    our right to hold our religious, moral, and political beliefs and express them freely.
    What if my religion allows me to practice cannibalism? Some tribal religions do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    It was never intended to be a shield for this kind of socially and morally corrosive sludge, and the fact that it has been expanded to act as such is as a gross distortion of the law as these films are a distortion of wholesome human sexuality.
    I think the Bible should be banned because the Old Testament contains commands to kill children and infants and pimp out underage girls.

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Good. That means that they can be charged as well.
    More like, good luck with that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    If I could, I would. I've thankfully managed to avoid seeing it so far, but from what I know of its content, it would certainly qualify. The fact that so many people seem to be defending this sort of conduct disturbs me. And the fact that it is impossible to enforce these laws against Internet porn producers-- who are frequently operating out of either liberal or lawless countries-- does not mean that we should not attempt to enforce them when and where we can against people who violate them domestically.
    Go grab a Playboy and calm down bro.

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    New precedent? I am certain that these videos would have been found in violation of every obscenity law that has ever been written-- especially within the United States--
    You know some states still technically have laws such as "it's illegal to hit your wife with a stick thicker than your forearm" etc etc. Here's a few just from Arizona. You think we should enforce these too?

    Any misdemeanor comitted while wearing a red mask is considered a felony.
    It's unlawful to refuse a person a glass of water.
    In Glendale it's illegal to drive a car in reverse.
    In Globe it's illegal to play cards in the street with a Native American.
    In Hayden it's illegal to disturb bullfrogs or cottentailed rabbits with in the city limits.
    In Nogales one can't wear suspenders.
    In Tucson women can't wear pants.

    Weird U.S.A Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    and that the degree to which Mr. Little has indulged in such obscenity would have been considered unthinkable in any era in which those laws were routinely enforced.
    In Iran, a girl wearing lipstick is considered "whorish and unthinkable" - but her father raping her and setting her on fire as "discipline" is considered "a just form of punishment". I guess Iran's come a lot further than we have.


    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    With any luck, this conviction will establish that once again there are a set of bare minimum guidelines for decency which must be observed in the production of materials for public consumption.
    With any luck, because this made news, Max Hardcore's film dowloads are going to increase by 1000% over the next month just out of curiosity
    (even by people not normally into fetish crap).

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Look to the left of this, or any of my other, posts and tell me where you see the word "liberal." In fact, I dare you to find a post of mine where I endeavor to defend "rights" or freedom in general outside of a carefully constrained list-- which is limited either to those freedoms which are most conducive to a citizen being capable of fulfilling his duties to society, or to those freedoms which are essential to limiting the degree of corruption in government.

    Hell, when have I ever spoken up in favor of "tolerance" as either a moral or civic virtue?
    You just came across as a feminist. If you're not a liberal, then I apologise (though I can't tell the difference between a lot of social conservatives and "liberal" feminists".)

    Why not just jump on the feminist bandwagon and campaign to ban "sexist" panties next?

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    Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

    So were do you plan on starting to draw the line Korimya what you might call filth other don't, but hell lets not stop at Porn under your reasoning then any form of Explicited Films/Photos should be ban. How about Political Speach is that next shall we now pick up are Pitch Forks and Torchs and march on what ever item we find disgusting if so then I say lets start with Any Church out their because to me any form of religion is Filth.

    So please let me and the rest of us know what you want to trample on next.
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    Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

    Quote Originally Posted by Toothpicvic View Post
    Yes they do. And if I wanted to, I could exercise said right in 2 minutes of a google search right now.
    There are a lot of things we could easily do in the next two minutes. You and I might disagree vehemently-- or even violently-- as to whether or not we had any right to do any of them. Some of them would certainly be illegal, and we would probably even agree that they ought to be.

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    What if my religion allows me to practice cannibalism? Some tribal religions do.
    I think our laws already make adequate provision for those religious practices which violate certain of our laws. I agree with most of the places where we've held that the law outweighs any particular religious freedom, except for ritual use of psychedelics and certain funerary practices. On the whole, I am satisfied.

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    I think the Bible should be banned because the Old Testament contains commands to kill children and infants and pimp out underage girls.
    I believe that makes it my turn to retort with "Good luck with that."

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    Go grab a Playboy and calm down bro.
    I don't care for Playboy, but at least it isn't filth. My worst objection to it is that the airbrushed genitals might lead virgins to think that they're supposed to look like that in real life.

    Quote Originally Posted by Toothpicvic View Post
    You know some states still technically have laws such as "it's illegal to hit your wife with a stick thicker than your forearm" etc etc. Here's a few just from Arizona. You think we should enforce these too?
    Well, that or take them off the books. Not every law which has become obsolete was wrong, and not every law that stands on the books today is right.

    In any case, I support every person's legal right to wear suspenders and pants and wish more people would. I see the intent behind requiring that people share water when requested and support it, though it's probably no longer necessary and might be subject to abuse. No one should be playing cards in the street, Native American or otherwise, and I'm assuming that the prohibition on driving in reverse applies on public roads-- which seems like a good idea for me. As far as the first law? The police can take away my red masks when I can take away their black ones.

    Quote Originally Posted by Toothpicvic View Post
    In Iran, a girl wearing lipstick is considered "whorish and unthinkable" - but her father raping her and setting her on fire as "discipline" is considered "a just form of punishment". I guess Iran's come a lot further than we have.
    You know, in some ways they have. In others? Not so much. If I were exiled from here, I wouldn't likely choose Iran for my asylum. I'd comment more on the aspects of Iranian culture I find barbaric, but I don't care all that much and I tire quickly of being called a "racist" and a "cultural imperialist" by people who don't recognize that cultural relativism is a scientific tool and has little place outside of field studies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Toothpicvic View Post
    You just came across as a feminist. If you're not a liberal, then I apologise (though I can't tell the difference between a lot of social conservatives and "liberal" feminists".)
    The axe-shaped icons beneath my user name are called "fasces." They're not ironic.

    And, no, I suppose there isn't all that much difference between "social conservatives" and "liberal feminists." They both have very strong views on how men and women should be expected and even forced to behave in society, regardless of any claims to "tolerance" and "diversity" on their parts, and some of those views even overlap. (Though you'll notice that neither conservatives nor feminists are jumping to my aid here.) I share this in common with them, though it's hard to tell whose vision of "proper" morality I have less in common with.

    Quote Originally Posted by Toothpicvic View Post
    Why not just jump on the feminist bandwagon and campaign to ban "sexist" panties next?
    Because I don't think panties are sexist and wouldn't care if they were. My issue with this kind of pornography isn't that it promotes the mistreatment of women specifically, it's that it promotes the mistreatment of one's sexual partners in general as well as the distortion and misuse of one's own sexuality. As far as I am concerned, fetishes like this are a disease and people like Mr. Little are a disease vector.

    Some disease vectors are innocent people trying to go about their lives. Others are willful agents who try to justify their actions and their profits by hiding behind the skirts of former Supreme Court justices and "rights" that were intended to safeguard the freedom and openness of our civilized discourse. I simply don't have any problem with stepping on the latter.

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    Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Hah. Guess I get to be the first to say that I applaud this conviction.

    The material he produced was the worst kind of filth and the world would be a better place without either it or him. I can only hope that the conviction is not overturned on appeal-- and that in either case he does not simply immediately resume his disgusting and antisocial behaviors upon his release from prison.

    Too much to hope for, but I cannot do otherwise.

    There is a difference between depicting abuse and degradation as a subject of fictional material and glamorizing or promoting it as desirable and normal social conduct. His films did the latter and encouraged countless people to treat others as depicted in his films and to view such treatment as normal and healthy. There is no place for such things in a civilized society.
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    Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

    I usually comment on news stories like this with my infamous catchphrase -- "terrorism is the only sensible answer" -- but the only reason he's being singled out is because he ran a large commercial venture and used the government to protect his supposed "intellectual property rights". He probably even paid taxes on his porn sales! You sleep with dogs, you wake up with fleas!

    In the meantime, there's more "illegal" porn being posted on P2P networks every month than anyone can possibly view in a year. Never pay for information -- no matter if it's news, magazines, books, movies, TV shows, music, software, college lectures, or pornography -- by doing so you're only empowering the state!

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    Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    He should appeal.
    He should hang himself.

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    Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

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    Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity charges

    A US District Court in Florida has sentenced "extreme shock porn" gonzo director and distributor Max Hardcore, aka Paul F. Little, to four years in prison over obscenity charges. Writing for Salon, Glenn Greenwald wrote that he believes the verdict is a blow to first amendment rights:

    "So, to recap, in the Land of the Free: if you're an adult who produces a film using other consenting adults, for the entertainment of still other consenting adults, which merely depicts fictional acts of humiliation and degradation, the DOJ will prosecute you and send you to prison for years. The claim that no real pain was inflicted will be rejected; mere humiliation is enough to make you a criminal. But if government officials actually subject helpless detainees in their custody to extreme mental abuse, degradation, humiliation and even mock executions long considered "torture" in the entire civilized world, the DOJ will argue that they have acted with perfect legality and, just to be sure, Congress will hand them retroactive immunity for their conduct. That's how we prioritize criminality and arrange our value system."

    The hometown Tampa, FL paper where Little was convicted wrote about the case in a condemning tone:

    His pornographic persona, Max Hardcore, is all swagger and sadism - forcing women in his movies to do things that can't be described in a family newspaper. But in federal court today, as he faced a federal prison sentence, Paul F. Little trembled and begged a woman for mercy. "It just seems a very high price to pay, I think," Little told U.S. District Judge Susan Bucklew, "and I ask you to understand how much I've suffered."

    Judge Sentences Porn Producer To 46 Months In Prison (Tampa Bay Online). Similar accounts published in Max Hardcore's home town paper, The Pasadena (CA) Star-News, and in this Tampa Bay paper.

    Why was Little, aka Hardcore, convicted in Florida, when the offending material was produced elsewhere and distributed in many places, even overseas? IANAL, but as I understand it: producers are subject to obscenity charges in any state the material can be downloaded when local standards deem the material to be obscene. The landmark Supreme Court case of Hustler Magazine v. Falwell is informative background reading.

    FULL STORY
    Where is the ruling?

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    Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    He should hang himself.
    are you well hung jerry?

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    Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

    When it comes to penis size, natural selection is not in social conservatives' favor...

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    Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    He should hang himself.
    So Jerry since Korimyra doesn't want to answer my question you care to take a crack at it huh. I'll be waiting for either of you to tell us who's 1st Adm. we shall walk all over and when do we start the Torch and Pitch Fork March's.

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