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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    I'm not going to quote Zyph's super long post, but I agree with it 100%.

    I don't think Max Hardcore should be jailed or the material banned because I'm not at all comfortable with government imposing subjective moral values on us, especially at the cost of our freedom of expression.

    On the other hand, let's not pretend that all porn is equal and its all a beautiful expression of human sexuality. There is some pretty twisted stuff out there and there is nothing wrong with society attaching stigmas to some things as an effort to discourage it, without relying on the heavy hand of government to outright ban it.
    I agree.

    I think the prosecutor and the judge involved in this case need to be disbarred. What they did is a BLATANT violation of the 1st Amendment.

    Mr. Little needs to sue Florida for all its worth. It's time for the Floridian stupidity bubble to be burst.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    I'm not going to quote Zyph's super long post, but I agree with it 100%.

    I don't think Max Hardcore should be jailed or the material banned because I'm not at all comfortable with government imposing subjective moral values on us, especially at the cost of our freedom of expression.

    On the other hand, let's not pretend that all porn is equal and its all a beautiful expression of human sexuality. There is some pretty twisted stuff out there and there is nothing wrong with society attaching stigmas to some things as an effort to discourage it, without relying on the heavy hand of government to outright ban it.
    Nobody's saying all porn is pretty. Just that the government shouldn't be involved.

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    We're not discussing snuff films here. Ger back on topic or depart the thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    That's a matter of opinion.
    I find nothing "sexy" about rape whatsoever.
    It's a complete turn-off to me; in fact, it's difficult for me to even read about. It's one of the rare things that makes me feel squeamish and uncomfortable.
    I think, as a woman, I identify too much with the victims, and their victimization makes me feel both angry and somehow ashamed (even though there's no reason for them to feel ashamed- it's not their fault, obviously- and no reason for me to feel ashamed on their behalf; I realize this, but it's not something I have any control over).

    I can understand how/ why a rape survivor would find rape scenes a turn-on. It is probably quite healthy and empowering; a sort of reclamation.
    Of course it's a matter of opinion, all books are. But since rape fantasies are the number one female fantasy, there's apparently something to it.

    And the fantasy has nothing to do with actual rape. It has to do with removing feelings of guilt, scorn, and disdain associated with wanting to have sex with someone.

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    Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    I'm not going to quote Zyph's super long post, but I agree with it 100%.

    I don't think Max Hardcore should be jailed or the material banned because I'm not at all comfortable with government imposing subjective moral values on us, especially at the cost of our freedom of expression.

    On the other hand, let's not pretend that all porn is equal and its all a beautiful expression of human sexuality. There is some pretty twisted stuff out there and there is nothing wrong with society attaching stigmas to some things as an effort to discourage it, without relying on the heavy hand of government to outright ban it.
    Society is stupid. Masturbation does not give you hairy palms. If you stick your tongue out your face will not freeze like that. Society attaches stigmas to thousands of things that are totally harmless. Society doesn't mind if you ban things that they disapprove of, they aren't smart enough to understand that they could be next. Laws should protect people from society, not the other way around.

    It shouldn't matter what is twisted to you or to me, because everyone has a different idea. What should matter is the actual real world effects of your actions. Chuck Berry hiding video cameras in public toilets should be illegal. But if a porn star wants to get paid for crapping on someone then what does it hurt?
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    Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsunami View Post
    Society is stupid. Masturbation does not give you hairy palms. If you stick your tongue out your face will not freeze like that. Society attaches stigmas to thousands of things that are totally harmless. Society doesn't mind if you ban things that they disapprove of, they aren't smart enough to understand that they could be next. Laws should protect people from society, not the other way around.

    It shouldn't matter what is twisted to you or to me, because everyone has a different idea. What should matter is the actual real world effects of your actions. Chuck Berry hiding video cameras in public toilets should be illegal. But if a porn star wants to get paid for crapping on someone then what does it hurt?
    If you read my post, several times I state clearly that I do not support government banning of such materials. I don't feel comfortable with government enforcing subjective values. People should be free to express themselves in any manner they see fit provided it does not harm someone else (hence slander, libel, and yelling fire in a crowded theater are not protect forms of expression).

    However, people are also free to stigmatize certain behaviors. If enough people agree that a certain behavior deserves to be stigmatized, then society enforces that stigma without the need for government intervention. You're still legally free to do whatever, but society may impose some penalty on you for being a deviant. Sometimes society can go overboard and create a very oppressive enviroment. But let's not pretend that we want to live in a world where nothing is looked down upon.
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    Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    You're still legally free to do whatever, but society may impose some penalty on you for being a deviant. Sometimes society can go overboard and create a very oppressive enviroment. But let's not pretend that we want to live in a world where nothing is looked down upon.
    I don't think anyone wants that. We just think society has gone overboard, way way overboard, on alot of things.

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    Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    If you read my post, several times I state clearly that I do not support government banning of such materials. I don't feel comfortable with government enforcing subjective values. People should be free to express themselves in any manner they see fit provided it does not harm someone else (hence slander, libel, and yelling fire in a crowded theater are not protect forms of expression).

    However, people are also free to stigmatize certain behaviors. If enough people agree that a certain behavior deserves to be stigmatized, then society enforces that stigma without the need for government intervention. You're still legally free to do whatever, but society may impose some penalty on you for being a deviant. Sometimes society can go overboard and create a very oppressive enviroment. But let's not pretend that we want to live in a world where nothing is looked down upon.
    But that's not true. The way the Supreme Court has interpreted the first amendment means that society has to accept your speech for it to be protected. The stigmas have a way of becoming laws.

    I know I'm a rare individual but I for one do want to live in a world without shame, where nothing is looked down upon. Why is public nudity bad? Why is masturbation bad? Why is prostitution bad? Why is sodomy bad? Why is incest bad? I don't do most of these things myself but I don't think they are harmful to society or to myself if someone else chooses to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsunami View Post
    But that's not true. The way the Supreme Court has interpreted the first amendment means that society has to accept your speech for it to be protected. The stigmas have a way of becoming laws.

    I know I'm a rare individual but I for one do want to live in a world without shame, where nothing is looked down upon. Why is public nudity bad? Why is masturbation bad? Why is prostitution bad? Why is sodomy bad? Why is pedophilia bad? Why is incest bad? I don't do most of these things myself but I don't think they are harmful to society or to myself if someone else chooses to.
    The public isn't required to accept it for it to be legal. If that were the case, the white supremist assholes from North Dakota, Montana, Nebraska, and Northern Idaho would've all been jailed long ago.

    Sexual activity between two consenting adults CANNOT be criminalized. Florida is out of line and needs to be delt with in the most severe and costly method possible.

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