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    Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Yes, to some people. The question is, does the value these films hold for some people outweigh the disgust they inspire in everyone else?
    Irrelevant. Don't like them, don't watch them. I don't care what your tastes or moral standards are. Keep them to yourself.

    I believe that these movies are actively malignant and that they lead to harm being done to my family and my nation, whether I or anyone in my family watches them personally.
    How?

    You're opening a huge can of worms here. You're inviting complete government intervention in anyone's sex life, including yours.

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    Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

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    Considering the way that our organs of reproduction are literally combined with our organs of excretion, it's inevitable that there will be some confusion.
    Who says God doesn't have a sense of humor?
    Naw, you don't get it, it's the Bible that causes people to be into scat! Proof:

    Before Christian missionaries arrived in Japan, there was no scat porn in Japan.
    After Christian missionaries arrive in Japan, BOOM! Scat porn out the ass.
    What clearly happened is that Japanese people read those Bible verses, and then got the impression that scat sex is sanctioned by God.

    In fact, those verses were snuck into the True Original Bible[tm] by perverted "translators." The solution is to ban those crappy versions of the Bible and release a clean and sanitized edition in line with the spirit of the original God-inspired scripture. True, it will be less than 100 pages, but how many people like to read all that much? Besides, it's better to just cut through all the crap and get right to the point.
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    Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

    Suppose instead of watching a Max Hardcore film in our bedroom, my wife and I re-enacted one. Would that be obscene? Could be be hauled off to jail? What's the difference?

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    What does it say about "polite society" when Max Hardcore is seen as a degenerate whereas Martin Luther is a widely revered reformer and theologian? Let's compare and contrast. Max Hardcore made some dirty movies involving consenting participants. (Some of these have gone on record stating, outside of porn, that they personally enjoy such activities.) On the other hand, Martin Luther? Let us go by the man's own words.

    What shall we Christians do with this rejected and condemned people, the Jews? ... I shall give you my sincere advice:

    First, to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them...
    Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed. For they pursue in them the same aims as in their synagogues. Instead they might be lodged under a roof or in a barn, like the gypsies...
    Third, I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings, in which such idolatry, lies, cursing, and blasphemy are taught, be taken from them...
    Fourth, I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach henceforth on pain of loss of life and limb...
    Fifth, I advise that safe-conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews...
    Sixth, I advise that usury be prohibited to them, and that all cash and treasure of silver and gold be taken from them and put aside for safekeeping.
    Seventh, I recommend putting a flail, an ax, a hoe, a spade, a distaff, or a spindle into the hands of young, strong Jews and Jewesses and letting them earn their bread in the sweat of their brow, as was imposed on the children of Adam...
    What are we poor preachers to do meanwhile? In the first place, we will believe that our Lord Jesus Christ is truthful when he declares of the Jews who did not accept but crucified him, "You are a brood of vipers and children of the devil [cf. Matt. 12:34]...
    Such a desperate, thoroughly evil poisonous, and devilish lot are these Jews, who for these fourteen hundred years have been and still are our plague, our pestilence, and our misfortune....
    Now let me commend these Jews sincerely to whoever feels the desire to shelter and feed them, to honor them, to be fleeced, robbed, plundered, defamed, vilified, and cursed by them, and to suffer every evil at their hands -- these venomous serpents and devil's children, who are the most vehement enemies of Christ our Lord and of us all... Then he will be a perfect Christian, filled with works of mercy for which Christ will reward him on the day of judgment, together with the Jews in the eternal fire of hell!

    A notable difference is that unlike Max Hardcore's, the United States has never even considered banning Martin Luther's works. In fact, it is perfectly legal for a child of six to read these words; even for parents to instill these words into the minds of their children as literal truth. And why not? Considering the former to be obscene and not the latter is only common sense. After all, Martin Luther only laid out a detailed blueprint for the Holocaust, whereas Max Hardcore made DIRTY MOVIES EWW OMG!

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    Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Still waiting Korimyr. Why is obcenity not speech?
    The Bible, like Luther's Bible-based advocacy of genocide, have the "freedom of religion" defense. Maybe Max Hardcore should have registered as a Christian denomination and referred to his movies as expressions of ritual and theology? He could say that he's punishing the women for Original Sin and that his "dominance" follows from Biblical commands that women submit to men... Of course he'd have to get nastier in order to obey God's commands for scat sex.
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    Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    I believe that these movies are actively malignant and that they lead to harm being done to my family and my nation, whether I or anyone in my family watches them personally.
    I understand that you are involved in making computer or video games? What do you think of games that glorify murder and violent crime? The First Person Shooter genre is among the most popular. Despite the oftimes lighthearted connotations of the term "game" many game companies tout how "realistic" and "immersive" their productions are. They often include very graphic violence, depictions of blood, gore, and mutilation along with murder. There are games in which the player specifically takes on the role of a hitman, or serial killer, or gangster. Take the Grand Theft Auto series for example. Do you think these games portray a healthy way of interacting with other people?

    Do you support banning games of this nature and charging their producers with obscenity? If you are involved in making such games yourself, let's assume that you get a presidential pardon for your work in testifying against the industry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    We can assume, based on the current reporting of it, that it is an uncommon situation; but it DOES happen, and it's legitimate, and it - in no way - means the person wanted what was happening to them. It merely reiterates what I and others have been saying - sexual arousal does not require emotion. (which was a ridiculous notion to begin with)
    Good post though I'd say consent, rather than emotion per se. Even with the experience of unwanted sexual arousal or orgasm there may be emotions involved, just not necessarily "positive" ones. There may be "positive" emotions (such as pleasure) and also "negative" emotions (such as humiliation) as a result of feeling the pleasure. I don't think this is far fetched at all, as the boundaries between pleasure and pain are obviously fluid (and such emotions must share underlying mechanisms). Erotic humiliation, for example, links these emotions in reverse as well.

    I know a woman who's said she ended up enjoying what started out as an actual rape, because she found the rapist very attractive. She said her only fear was disease and that hit her after it was all over with. I've known her for years and she's the type who doesn't care whether she's "supposed" to feel this or that way. She's into casual sex too, has never personally understood why the act of sex is supposed to be such a big deal for a woman. I'm not saying this example means rape is okey-dokey. Real rape is a basic violation of personal sovereignty, but I think it's interesting how important one's mindset can be. Many rape victims (of course this is even much more common with statutory "rape" victims) are more traumatized by the attitudes of "society" than by the act itself.
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    Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Who cares if the disgust outweighs it? Majority rule isn't always the best solution. What is there to tolerate? You either watch the films or you don't.
    I've already sufficiently addressed these points.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    And I submit that your opinion is no more valid than theirs is. Just because you have a different moral code doesn't mean that everyone has to follow suit. ... People need to mind their own business.
    And yet, you continue to expect that your moral beliefs be enshrined in the law. What occurs in private bedrooms between consenting adults is, with limited exceptions, none of my business. I agree with you here. However, what people film for the purposes of commercial distribution is not "none of my business" or "none of society's business", it is everyone's business and the public has a legitimate interest in maintaining standards of decency. Those standards do not necessarily have to be mine, but as a citizen-- or even merely theoretically, as I mostly argue here-- I will continue to advocate for society's standards to resemble my own.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I don't think there is anything wrong with these films personally. I fail to see how they affect you if you don't have to watch them.
    Are you disagreeing with the reasons I've given for why they affect me, or are you merely ignoring them? Do you dispute that sexual pleasure reinforces behavior? Do you dispute that people associate sexual pleasure with whatever they are thinking, or feeling, or watching, while they masturbate? Do you dispute that regardless of whether or not the performers consented, the behaviors being depicted would be degrading and humiliating-- would cause psychological harm-- to a normal person who was expected to participate in them in a relationship that was otherwise intimate?

    Because nobody is telling me these things. They're telling me to "shut up and mind my own business" because only their liberal moral sensibilities matter or should be considered.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Some people just get off on it because it's a taboo. I think very few people actually view these as normal and acceptable sex practices.
    But the more they get off on it, the more normal they seem and the more they want these practices in their regular sex lives-- because the more they have associated sexual pleasure with these things, the more these things become a part of what "sex" means to them.

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    Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

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    I understand that you are involved in making computer or video games? What do you think of games that glorify murder and violent crime? The First Person Shooter genre is among the most popular. Despite the oftimes lighthearted connotations of the term "game" many game companies tout how "realistic" and "immersive" their productions are. They often include very graphic violence, depictions of blood, gore, and mutilation along with murder. There are games in which the player specifically takes on the role of a hitman, or serial killer, or gangster. Take the Grand Theft Auto series for example. Do you think these games portray a healthy way of interacting with other people?

    Do you support banning games of this nature and charging their producers with obscenity? If you are involved in making such games yourself, let's assume that you get a presidential pardon for your work in testifying against the industry.
    He makes this trash? Violent video games do infinitely more damage to our society than porn movies. Most teens will never ever see a Max Hardcore film, but many get daily doses of extreme, yet cartoony, violence from video games. Not surprised if he hasn't thought this stuff through. He also thinks that whoever North Korea executes for selling Bibles is their business and we shouldn't complain.

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    Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    What occurs in private bedrooms between consenting adults is, with limited exceptions, none of my business. I agree with you here. However, what people film for the purposes of commercial distribution is not "none of my business" or "none of society's business", it is everyone's business and the public has a legitimate interest in maintaining standards of decency.
    Why? What is the difference? Nobody sees the movies who doesn't want to. Getting between me and a porn movie is the same as getting between me and my wife. It's my private life and it doesn't affect you or society at all.

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