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    Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Huh..?

    I've read surveys that say some women fantasize about rape; never read anything that claims some women become aroused and orgasm during actual rape. That doesn't seem to likely, frankly.
    Pardon my ignorance if I'm incorrect.
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    Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Hah. Guess I get to be the first to say that I applaud this conviction.

    The material he produced was the worst kind of filth and the world would be a better place without either it or him. I can only hope that the conviction is not overturned on appeal-- and that in either case he does not simply immediately resume his disgusting and antisocial behaviors upon his release from prison.

    Too much to hope for, but I cannot do otherwise.

    There is a difference between depicting abuse and degradation as a subject of fictional material and glamorizing or promoting it as desirable and normal social conduct. His films did the latter and encouraged countless people to treat others as depicted in his films and to view such treatment as normal and healthy. There is no place for such things in a civilized society.
    I don't give a damn what you think. It's not your place, or the government's, to decide any of this. Mind your own business. Go read the First Amendment.

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    Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    I don't give a damn what you think. It's not your place, or the government's, to decide any of this. Mind your own business. Go read the First Amendment.
    Whole lot of effort you just went to in not giving a damn, and it is absolutely the government's place to uphold the moral standards of society-- and my place as a citizen to make my wishes known. These moral standards are everyone's business, and if Mr. Little had been a playwright while the ink of the First Amendment was still drying, he would have been pilloried and hanged by the very men who wrote it.

    There's no greater arrogance than assuming that everyone who disagrees with you is ignorant.

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    Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Whole lot of effort you just went to in not giving a damn, and it is absolutely the government's place to uphold the moral standards of society-- and my place as a citizen to make my wishes known. These moral standards are everyone's business, and if Mr. Little had been a playwright while the ink of the First Amendment was still drying, he would have been pilloried and hanged by the very men who wrote it.
    Wrong. Read the First Amendment. It says what it says.

    Using the Founder's alleged actions in today's world is not a valid argument, after all, many owned slaves even as ink on "all men are created equal" was still drying.

    Regardless of the law, stay out of my business. These movies aren't public. You have to go rent or buy them, or download them, to see them. Don't like them, don't watch them. The idea that something is "obscene" when you never ever view it, and possibly don't even know exist, is absurd.

    As for morality? No. Government, stay out.

    And I can bring you a list of mainstream movies showing in malls that I find thoroughly reprehensible, starting with "torture porn." If you want to talk about banning movies and putting film-makers in jail, those are going to be part of the discussion too. Just an FYI.

    There's no greater arrogance than assuming that everyone who disagrees with you is ignorant.
    I don't think everyone who disagrees with me is ignorant.
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    Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Whole lot of effort you just went to in not giving a damn, and it is absolutely the government's place to uphold the moral standards of society-- and my place as a citizen to make my wishes known. These moral standards are everyone's business, and if Mr. Little had been a playwright while the ink of the First Amendment was still drying, he would have been pilloried and hanged by the very men who wrote it.

    There's no greater arrogance than assuming that everyone who disagrees with you is ignorant.
    There have to be some standards, but they should be kept to a minimum to protect our safety, not our morals or our innocence. These videos are not being broadcast on television or handed out in school. You have to seek them out to view it. If no one was hurt making the movie and no one is hurt viewing the movie then what business does society have? This country was never a democracy where the majority rules over the minority. This country was founded so that every citizen would be free in their pursuit of happiness. And yet another one just slipped through the cracks.
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    Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    These moral standards are everyone's business, and if Mr. Little had been a playwright while the ink of the First Amendment was still drying, he would have been pilloried and hanged by the very men who wrote it.
    The same Framers who'd rush to pillory and hang Little also supported (however hypocritically) the execution of homosexuals, adulterers, and miscegenationists, policies which would wipe out a good proportion of this message board, probably several members of the staff and possibly yourself.

    It's ideas expressed in the Bill of Rights which have proven valuable, not the assorted personal prejudices espoused among various Framers.

    The First Amendment was written by James Madison, btw, for anyone who didn't know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    How can our First Admendment be involved in this??
    There is such a thing as responsibility is there not ?
    True. I say it's time that we ban Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet as felony contraband; namely, child pornography (Juliet is 13). It's a shame we can't hit ol' Willy with a fat stack of felony charges. Ever notice it's mostly decadent liberals and marxists of dubious sexual proclivities who go to Shakespeare plays anyway? The noxious ways of rootless cosmopolitans greatly irritate me. Precisely what social value does this melodramatic nonsense serve? Does it feed or clothe anyone? No. Has it ever inspired a scientific discovery? No. Has it in any way made our country stronger or our streets safer? No. Does it romanticize the rape of a minor? Yes.
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    Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

    You people who walk all over other people's rights make me sick. I am a Criminal Justice major, are you people ****ing IGNORANT of how full our prisons are right now? Do you really actually think that we can afford to put people in prison for WANKING TO FICTIONAL, CONSENSUAL, ADULT MATERIAL? ARE YOU ****ING INSANE? We have REAL children getting abused, we have REAL rapists, we have REAL ****ING PROBLEMS. OH NO A GUY BEAT OFF TO A FICTIONAL RAPE DEAR GOD!! THE WORLD IS ENDING! Thoughts should be prosecuted next! Oh my God SOMEONE THOUGHT about doing something illegal? HOLY **** throw him in the gulag. You people who DISAGREE with his material.. are overstepping your bounds onto other peoples rights. BACK OFF!

    I don't give a **** if some girl wants to eat poop or get flogged or get slapped, some people get off to that and more power to them. It's none of my or your business, no matter how much you wish it was.

    You people wanna go after consenting adults instead of real child porn, instead of real rapists, you are pathetic.

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    Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
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    These are difficult and upsetting to read.
    I tried the first two.
    They mostly seem to have to do with cases of ongoing, recurrent child sexual abuse.
    I am aware that children masturbate, that it is normal for them to do so; I have read that even young children, children who have not yet gone through puberty, can experience orgasm, in some cases.
    Is it not possible that the children referred to in your links simply did not realize that what was happening to them at the hands of their caregivers or whomever was repeatedly sexually molesting them was wrong?
    I mean... it seems likely this abuse involved sexual stimulation that stopped short of actual penetration, at least at first.
    Perhaps it felt good to the children, and they didn't realize at the time that it was wrong.



    I don't know, it's such an upsetting topic.

    Do any of your other links have to do with rape? I mean, rape-rape, as in an adult forcibly having sex with another adult against her will?
    Because that situation is where I questioned whether victims sometimes have orgasms during the actual attack. It just seems so strange.

    I had, in fact, been aware that people who were sexually abused as children by people they trusted sometimes feel guilty in adulthood, because they found the abuse in some ways physically pleasurable.
    I had read that.

    Since I have no firsthand experience in this matter, I will defer to those who do.
    I was just taken aback, a little, by this assertion that rape victims experience pleasure and have orgasms during rape.
    It is not something I had ever considered. It's something I'm finding difficult to assimilate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Since I have no firsthand experience in this matter, I will defer to those who do.
    In this vein, although there are stats and studies, I'll directly quote a woman describing in an interview her experience of being raped:

    What kind of evening was it?

    It was a cool-ish early fall evening, clear. I was wearing blue jeans, a not particularly clingy stretch terry zip top (kind of like a hoodie), clogs.

    Where did the rape occur?

    In the middle of the campus there's a fairly large garden. At that time, the bushes surrounding the path through the garden were pretty dense. It wasn't completely dark that evening. There were lights every so often, some of them mounted on trees.

    I was on the way to the chapel, taking a main path about halfway through the garden, when a man stepped out from behind the bushes and asked me if I had a match. I said no, and I tried to walk around him. But he grabbed me, putting one arm around my head and face and one around my arms. He then pulled me off the path towards an empty building on the garden grounds.

    Did you put up a physical struggle?

    I started out screaming, but he got his arm over my mouth. He held something against me. I didn't know what it was. My glasses were falling off.

    How scared were you?

    I remember thinking "Oh god, please don't hurt me, I'm going to die, no one hears me, no one's going to help me".

    Just to get this straight: You’d never seen this guy before, right?

    Correct.

    Did you try to push him away or harm him?

    When he first grabbed me, my struggle consisted of trying to break free of his arms, trying to get a hand free. He had one arm around me, holding one arm and pinning the other. His other hand was around my face and neck. I tried kneeing and kicking, and I lost my balance. That's something they teach you in self-defense classes often happens. It's why you should stomp on an attacker's instep instead of trying to knee him in the groin.

    I was trying to keep my footing and he was pulling me off the path. I lost one of my clogs. If I had gone completely limp, he probably would have had more trouble getting me to move. I didn't think of that because I was too scared.

    Did you struggle physically throughout?

    No. There was a small screened porch off the back of the building in the garden. He dragged me into it and pushed me down. I think I gave up struggling around then.

    Why? What was going through your mind?


    I gave up struggling out of hopelessness. It wasn't working, I couldn't get away, I didn't want to make him mad, and nobody could hear me. Losing my glasses didn't help. I'm nearsighted, with around 20/200 vision. I'm also somewhat night blind. I lose a lot of depth perception at night, even with lights. So I couldn't see where he was taking me. That contributed to the panic.

    So there you are, he's overwhelmed you ...

    Neither of us said much. Once I stopped screaming, it was very quiet. He didn't say anything, so all that was going on was just heavy breathing.

    His hat had a braided leather strap. After he pushed me down to the floor, he started to wrap the leather around my mouth. I said, "I promise, I won't scream anymore," and he stopped. That's when I really gave up, and became completely passive.

    How did the intercourse part of the rape go?

    I let him pull my pants down, off one leg. He spread my legs, and lay down on top of me. I have no idea how long it took him to rape me. It felt like forever. I just wanted him to be done, and it went on and on. He asked me my name and told me his, during the act. That's when I was thinking "Okay, this is really happening, I couldn't stop it, what happens when he's finished, is he going to let me go or is he going to kill me to get rid of the evidence?"

    What were your physical sensations?

    It seemed unreal, but I was very aware of being flat on my back on a cold cement floor, with this stranger ****ing me. I didn't smell much of anything except a wet-earth garden smell.

    It did hurt when he entered me. I don't think he noticed that I had my period. He certainly didn't notice that I had a tampon in me. Strangely, I had an orgasm.

    Was that disorienting? I've read that women who orgasm during rape often feel guilt or shame.

    Yeah, I felt shame. My body betrayed me by reacting when my mind was so against it. I remember hating myself because I had an orgasm.


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