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    Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    It amazes me that in 2009 there are people who still have such an archaic view of sex and sexuality. I will never understand why some people are still so uptight.
    I know. You'd think we were back in the dark ages or something.

    Something so natural, so pleasurable, so completely enjoyable, so healthy in more ways than one and all people can come up with is that it somehow "harms society"? WTF?

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    Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsunami View Post
    It might not have happened in your experience, but it is fairly common. And to deny that is insulting to those who have been through it.
    True, some might - I appologize.

    It seems, then, that nothing is a 'blanket' reaction, effect or cause - for some people it's one thing, for others it's completely different. . . in all things.
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    Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Only because the Supreme Court has perverted the 1st Amendment far beyond either the written language or the intent; this is no different than arguing that the 2nd Amendment protects a "collective" right rather than an individual one. Obscenity is not speech, and no supposed "freedom of obscenity" deserves to be enshrined in our Bill of Rights alongside the freedom of speech and the freedom of the press.
    There is plenty of case law that specifically proves that conduct between consenting adults cannot be criminalized.

    It's an abuse that will end up being over-turned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    That's really not entirely true. The body DOES react when the mind doesn't want it to. Men CAN get an erection when they don't want to.
    Indeed. For example, "reserved gentlemen" who act awkward around attractive young women in public are often - surprise! - sexually aroused when they definitely don't want to be.
    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Women CAN get wet and orgasm when they don't want to.
    As others have alluded, female rape victims have fairly commonly reported sexual arousal and even orgasm during rape. (The fact that many women never achieve orgasm during even consensual sex makes this all the more noticeable.)
    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    The body reacts separate from the emotional state, or should I say, in spite of.
    Or going beyond a mind/body split, one could say that many psychological/emotional reactions to stimuli are not necessarily under conscious control.
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    Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    I know. You'd think we were back in the dark ages or something.
    Funny you mention that - I've read about how at least back in the Dark Ages men tended to see women as sexual beings - even sexually promiscuous and sexually aggressive beings. However, if you look closer, their sexuality was still seen as the work of a man - more precisely, the work of the Devil.

    “And what, then, is to be thought of those witches who in this way sometimes collect male organs in great numbers, as many as twenty or thirty members together, and put them in a bird’s nest, or shut them up in a box, where they move themselves like living members, and eat oats and corn, as has been seen by many and is a matter of common report? It is to be said that it is all done by devil’s work and illusion, for the senses of those who see them are deluded in the way we have said. For a certain man tells that, when he had lost his member, he approached a known witch to ask her to restore it to him. She told the afflicted man to climb a certain tree, and that he might take which he liked out of the nest in which there were several members. And when he tried to take a big one, the witch said: You must not take that one; adding, because it belongs to a parish priest.” Malleus Maleficarum.
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    Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity charges

    A US District Court in Florida has sentenced "extreme shock porn" gonzo director and distributor Max Hardcore, aka Paul F. Little, to four years in prison over obscenity charges. Writing for Salon, Glenn Greenwald wrote that he believes the verdict is a blow to first amendment rights:
    "So, to recap, in the Land of the Free: if you're an adult who produces a film using other consenting adults, for the entertainment of still other consenting adults, which merely depicts fictional acts of humiliation and degradation, the DOJ will prosecute you and send you to prison for years. The claim that no real pain was inflicted will be rejected; mere humiliation is enough to make you a criminal. But if government officials actually subject helpless detainees in their custody to extreme mental abuse, degradation, humiliation and even mock executions long considered "torture" in the entire civilized world, the DOJ will argue that they have acted with perfect legality and, just to be sure, Congress will hand them retroactive immunity for their conduct. That's how we prioritize criminality and arrange our value system."
    The hometown Tampa, FL paper where Little was convicted wrote about the case in a condemning tone:
    His pornographic persona, Max Hardcore, is all swagger and sadism - forcing women in his movies to do things that can't be described in a family newspaper. But in federal court today, as he faced a federal prison sentence, Paul F. Little trembled and begged a woman for mercy. "It just seems a very high price to pay, I think," Little told U.S. District Judge Susan Bucklew, "and I ask you to understand how much I've suffered."
    Judge Sentences Porn Producer To 46 Months In Prison (Tampa Bay Online). Similar accounts published in Max Hardcore's home town paper, The Pasadena (CA) Star-News, and in this Tampa Bay paper.

    Why was Little, aka Hardcore, convicted in Florida, when the offending material was produced elsewhere and distributed in many places, even overseas? IANAL, but as I understand it: producers are subject to obscenity charges in any state the material can be downloaded when local standards deem the material to be obscene. The landmark Supreme Court case of Hustler Magazine v. Falwell is informative background reading.

    FULL STORY
    Because Florida is run by a group of ignorant inbred morons who have no clue how to run a state.

    His conviction WILL be appealed and Florida's bogus conviction WILL be tossed out.

    Little will then sue the State of Florida for wrongful, malicious prosecution and conspiracy to deprive him of his 1st Amendment rights.

    Florida is going down. What they did is BLATANTLY ILLEGAL.

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    Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    How is this even possible? How is this not an obvious violation of the First Amendment? ****ing stupid social conservatives...
    How can our First Admendment be involved in this??
    There is such a thing as responsibility is there not ?
    In other words , no yelling "fire!" in a crowded movie theater..
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    Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

    The key sentence : which merely depicts fictional acts of humiliation and degradation...
    We do not need this crap, its has no redeeming social value...The verdict was correct, no appeal should be heard by anyone.

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    Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

    Quote Originally Posted by Sov View Post
    As others have alluded, female rape victims have fairly commonly reported sexual arousal and even orgasm during rape. (The fact that many women never achieve orgasm during even consensual sex makes this all the more noticeable.)

    Huh..?

    I've read surveys that say some women fantasize about rape; never read anything that claims some women become aroused and orgasm during actual rape. That doesn't seem to likely, frankly.
    Pardon my ignorance if I'm incorrect.

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    Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    How can our First Admendment be involved in this??
    There is such a thing as responsibility is there not ?
    In other words , no yelling "fire!" in a crowded movie theater..
    Responsibility for what?


    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    The key sentence : which merely depicts fictional acts of humiliation and degradation...
    We do not need this crap, its has no redeeming social value...The verdict was correct, no appeal should be heard by anyone.
    Just going by the amount of people who bought and watched it, apparently it did have some social value. Many thousands of dollars worth of social value, I'd gather.

    Regardless, why does something have to have "social value" in order to be available for sale or purchase? If I WANT to purchase something, it has value to ME. Who the **** is the government to tell me it doesn't?

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