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    Re: Vermont to Register Non-Gun Owners?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yeah, that would be ok. And maybe a way for the People to call for the removal of a Justice. It would have to be a large barrier so you couldn't do it willy nilly; but maybe something. That way if the SCOTUS really f's up; they can be held accountable by the People.
    But we do have a way if we ever decide to do this it's called the 1st Adm "The Right to petition the government"

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    Re: Vermont to Register Non-Gun Owners?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    LiveLeak.com - Vermont to Register Non-Gun Owners?



    Hahah. Of course, I don't really agree with databasing and registering...well most anyone. So I really wouldn't support something like this. But I like the idea of it, makes me laugh. Why should the gun owners be the one's to register, we're just exercising a right. It's much better to register non-gun owners as they're the one's refusing to do their duty to the Republic and will be useless in a zombie fight.

    Umm...I also don't know why there's a video with that link, there's other links

    A Novel Idea. Register non-gun owners - Patriotic Resistance
    Why should demolition experts register with the state?

    Or pilots?

    Or commercial drivers?

    Or people who handle dangerous chemicals?

    Or pharmacists?

    Or people who breed deadly snakes? Or tigers?

    Or people who sell alcohol?

    Think of all the paperwork we'd save, if we would just leave those folks alone and let them do whatever they want?

    Think, Ikari. Think.

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    Re: Vermont to Register Non-Gun Owners?

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Why should demolition experts register with the state?
    Depends on what they are demolition. Anything that can be entirely contained to private property, the government can piss off on.

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    Or pilots?
    In so much as licensing goes, but that's probably it.

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    Or commercial drivers?
    Same as above

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    Or people who handle dangerous chemicals?
    Why?

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    Or pharmacists?
    No, why should they register that they're a pharmacist? They had to go through a lot of school to get their license for that.

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    Or people who breed deadly snakes? Or tigers?
    Why? Are these people running around turning snakes and tigers into weapons? What business is it of government?

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    Or people who sell alcohol?
    Not at all.

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    Think of all the paperwork we'd save, if we would just leave those folks alone and let them do whatever they want?
    Paperwork is the least of the concerns. The primary is the databasing, information gathering, and expansion of power over the People which comes with increasing, more aggressive government.

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    Think, Ikari. Think.
    Take your own advice. Also, I stated "most", it's not an absolute. Maybe in addition to you thinking, you should also read.
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    Re: Vermont to Register Non-Gun Owners?

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Why should demolition experts register with the state?
    They do both State and Federal if they handle explosives

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    Or pilots?
    We do it's Federal (FAA)

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    Or commercial drivers?
    They do all CDL are now Federal Issue. (DOT)
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    Or people who handle dangerous chemicals?
    They do both Local/State and Federal
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    Or pharmacists?
    Both Federal and State

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    Or people who breed deadly snakes? Or tigers?
    Some States do have this requirement

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    Or people who sell alcohol?
    All Local and States have this also it's part of the Federal Drinking Age Act
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    Re: Vermont to Register Non-Gun Owners?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I'm not. As I've repeatedly stated, I disagree with much of government registration and databasing.

    You yourself have made a lot of unsubstantiated assumptions: People without guns will be able to get them when demand is high, that people who don't have guns will even go through the process of being able to fight despite having hamstrung themselves by not having been prepared, that people with guns will give up their guns to those without, etc.
    But since I am the one arguing AGAINST the registration, the burden of proof is on YOU to show that those assumptions are incorrect.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari
    I have the ability to understand arguments and where they come from even if I disagree in the base. Also, stupid arguments annoy me and I oft argue against them regardless of position. I'm not one with a high tolerance for stupidity.
    And yet you're defending one of the stupidest arguments I've ever heard - that this is somehow necessary for a properly functioning militia - and then retreating behind "I'm not ACTUALLY defending this argument" whenever it's pointed out how retarded this argument is. Make up your mind.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari
    No it's not. You're taking all MY information. For myself and my property, without due cause. You're not registering the gun, the gun is linked to ME. Thus it's registering ME. You have my personal information tied up in the lot of crap you think the government should have. The gun can't register itself, I or the gun store would have to do it. And it would be linked to address/name, etc. That's registering the person and their property without due cause or warrant.
    No, that's registering your property. The gun is linked to you in case of a crime. If, on the other hand, the police wanted a database of everyone in the area who owned a gun, and wanted to search it for possible suspects, I would be opposed to that.
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    Re: Vermont to Register Non-Gun Owners?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Actually, they want to publish the list of people who DON'T own guns so the criminals will know who it's safe to rob.
    Uh huh. And why is making things easier for robbers a compelling interest of the state? Did you have anything useful to say, or were you just trolling?
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    Re: Vermont to Register Non-Gun Owners?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Can the State regulate it? There's always freedom of assembly and association. The only legitimate claim I could think of by the government is if they deem them some form of revolutionary army as they are allowed to put down revolution. Meh, that's an aside anyway.

    As for the National Guard, I can see where and why you are deriving your definition, however, I would say that ideally they were to act as some form of State "militia" in some sense. But the Federal govenrment has usurped it well and now functionally it's basically an arm of the federal standing army. In which case makes it not a militia at all.
    Careful of the context in which you say they have power to put down revolutions.
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    Re: Vermont to Register Non-Gun Owners?

    Governments should not be *Registering* anyone......
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    Re: Vermont to Register Non-Gun Owners?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    That is fricken hilarious. I love it!

    I especially love this:
    For what reason? It seems to be selective incorporation of raw data that doesn't analyze the multiple variables that could alter crime rates and therefore doesn't actually measure the connection between firearm prevalence and crime. To do that, you'd need something like Duggan's More guns, more crime:

    This paper examines the relationship between gun ownership and crime. Previous research has suffered from a lack of reliable data on gun ownership. I exploit a unique data set to reliably estimate annual rates of gun ownership at both the state and the county levels during the past two decades. My findings demonstrate that changes in gun ownership are significantly positively related to changes in the homicide rate, with this relationship driven almost entirely by an impact of gun ownership on murders in which a gun is used. The effect of gun ownership on all other crime categories is much less marked. Recent reductions in the fraction of households owning a gun can explain one‐third of the differential decline in gun homicides relative to nongun homicides since 1993.

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    Re: Vermont to Register Non-Gun Owners?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well Vermont is sounding better and better than. Register non-gun owners and low crime!
    The registry should be open to the public, so neighbors know who among them is dangerously unarmed.

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