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    Re: Marijuana legalization hearing tomorrow in California!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    It's keeping the price higher than it would otherwise be which limits it's distribution among the populace.
    The use of cannabis in the face of high risk gives strength to the notion that the demand for cannabis is very inelastic. Translation: decreased supply does very little to the quantity demanded by the consumer of cannabis.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: Marijuana legalization hearing tomorrow in California!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    Please list the benefits of greater amounts of marijuana on our streets.
    I don't know how to answer the question as posed. So I'll answer this question:

    Are there any benefits from the legalization of marijuana?

    I've opposed legalization for a long time, but have changed my mind. The Mexican drug cartels who profit from the production and distribution of marijuana in this country are a clear and present danger to all Americans. There are only two ways of eliminating the growth of cartel related crime, i. e., take the profit out of this through legalization, or adopt the approach used by the Chinese Communist Party in eliminating opium use in China. Since summary execution is out of the question legalization is the only approach that might be effective.

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    Re: Marijuana legalization hearing tomorrow in California!

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    You will develop lung disease? this is a guarantee? A tad hyperbolic here are we not?

    Regardless, I asked you to show how damaging marijuana is to society, and I thank you for your response to that, seems all you managed to provide in response was a potential for lung disease, which others have been kicking you around over for quite a few pages now it seems.

    Was that the best you could do? sure smoking anything might be likely to induce lung complications, this totally overlooks that there are other delivery methods such as edible consumption, and vaporization that could be promoted and encouraged in a prohibition free environment.

    And how is this potential to cause lung more sinister, and deleterious to society as say obesity caused by junk food? The health risks there are palpable and real as well.. if you are concerned with our health and how that effects society as a whole I think you need to expand your crusade.

    Then again what if we considered that prohibition does nothing to mitigate the potential lung issues that may occur from marijuana smoking? This becomes a non issue when it comes to the legalization v. prohibition argument.

    I could turn the argument around on you here and say that prohibition is putting more children at risk of exposure to lung disease before they are capable of making informed decisions. Instead we should be taking steps to encourage marijuana usage to be the sole providence of adults, who are quite capable and quite entitled to making decisions on what to do with their lives and their health all on their own.

    All you have shown is a potential effect on an individual, you have done nothing to show effects on society here.
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    Society is made up of individuals. The costs to society of lung disease is staggering. If you want to make the cost of lung disease worse to our country.....legitimize the use of marijuana by making it legal.


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    MONDAY, May 22 (HealthDay News) -- Medical costs related to chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) will near $833 billion in the United States over the next 20 years, according to a new analysis.

    COPD results from persistent obstruction of the airways caused by severe emphysema or chronic bronchitis. It is the fourth leading cause of death in the United States and, in 2002, it claimed the lives of 120,000 Americans. An estimated 10.7 million adults in the United States have COPD, but there are many more undiagnosed cases, the study noted. Smoking is the primary risk factor for COPD, and about 80 percent to 90 percent of COPD deaths are caused by smoking.

    The new study found that COPD-linked costs will top $176.6 billion over the next five years and $389.2 billion over the next 10 years, according to the mathematical model used in the study, part of the Burden of Obstructive Lung Disease (BOLD) initiative examining the prevalence and burden of COPD worldwide.

    "As the prevalence of COPD continues to grow, the costs associated with the disease will continue to rise and are projected to consume a significant portion of the health-care budget over the next 20 years," lead researcher Todd Lee, a research assistant professor at Northwestern University in Chicago and Hines VA Hospital, said in a prepared statement........

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    Re: Marijuana legalization hearing tomorrow in California!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
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    Society is made up of individuals. The costs to society of lung disease is staggering. If you want to make the cost of lung disease worse to our country.....legitimize the use of marijuana by making it legal.


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    I don't think the increase of lung disease would be that significant. You act as if marijuana being legalized will somehow dramatically increase the amount that people smoke weed. Guess what? People a lot of weed right now. The law doesn't really stand in the way of people doing it. I fail to see how there would be that much of a difference if it were legal. But please, keep trying the lung disease angle. It's very easy to dismiss.

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    Re: Marijuana legalization hearing tomorrow in California!

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDKarCeC_Ic"]YouTube - Judge Testifies for Marijuana Legalization in California[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBEoptI9_Eg"]YouTube - California Marijuana Debate[/ame]
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    Re: Marijuana legalization hearing tomorrow in California!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I don't think the increase of lung disease would be that significant. You act as if marijuana being legalized will somehow dramatically increase the amount that people smoke weed. Guess what? People a lot of weed right now. The law doesn't really stand in the way of people doing it. I fail to see how there would be that much of a difference if it were legal. But please, keep trying the lung disease angle. It's very easy to dismiss.
    Unless you have it.

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    Re: Marijuana legalization hearing tomorrow in California!

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    I don't know how to answer the question as posed. So I'll answer this question:

    Are there any benefits from the legalization of marijuana?

    I've opposed legalization for a long time, but have changed my mind. The Mexican drug cartels who profit from the production and distribution of marijuana in this country are a clear and present danger to all Americans. There are only two ways of eliminating the growth of cartel related crime, i. e., take the profit out of this through legalization, or adopt the approach used by the Chinese Communist Party in eliminating opium use in China. Since summary execution is out of the question legalization is the only approach that might be effective.
    Legalizing alcohol did not eliminate the mafia. The mexican drug cartels will still be with us either way.

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    Re: Marijuana legalization hearing tomorrow in California!

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    The use of cannabis in the face of high risk gives strength to the notion that the demand for cannabis is very inelastic. Translation: decreased supply does very little to the quantity demanded by the consumer of cannabis.
    The risks vary depending on the state you happen to be in. There are hundreds of shops selling marijuana openly in LA even as we speak.

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    Re: Marijuana legalization hearing tomorrow in California!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    Unless you have it.
    I mean, it's easy to dismiss because it isn't just marijuana that causes it. Tobacco causes it and tobacco is legal. There's really no reason to not legalize marijuana in that case.

    Kudos on avoiding the other points in my post, btw.

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    Re: Marijuana legalization hearing tomorrow in California!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    Legalizing alcohol did not eliminate the mafia. The mexican drug cartels will still be with us either way.
    Yes they would, but it would hit them pretty hard considering that marijuana is a huge part of their business.

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