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    Re: Marijuana legalization hearing tomorrow in California!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    Legalizing alcohol did not eliminate the mafia. The mexican drug cartels will still be with us either way.
    No it did not, but then again alcohol wasn't their only racket.

    The amount of violence and costs of legal process and incarceration associated with illegal booze was greatly curtailed.
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    Re: Marijuana legalization hearing tomorrow in California!

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    Obstructive Lung Disease Costs America Billions

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    Society is made up of individuals. The costs to society of lung disease is staggering. If you want to make the cost of lung disease worse to our country.....legitimize the use of marijuana by making it legal.


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    Do you have any idea how much law enforcement operations, the legal process, and incarceration costs America? People already smoke pot, you've offered no evidence that legalization will increase the instances of Obstructive Lung Disease beyond their current numbers. What we do know is that less money will be spent pursuing and arresting marijuana offenders, less money will be spent trying them, and less money will be spent incarcerating them.

    And it will be much easier for some sick people to get the relief that marijuana offers for their ailments.
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    Re: Marijuana legalization hearing tomorrow in California!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    Obstructive Lung Disease Costs America Billions

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    Society is made up of individuals. The costs to society of lung disease is staggering. If you want to make the cost of lung disease worse to our country.....legitimize the use of marijuana by making it legal.


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    Although it is an almost certainty that the term smokers in your article is referring to tobacco smokers, lets dismiss that and for the sake of argument say that each and every one of those cases where the term "smokers" is used is a reference to marijuana smokers, and that 80-90% of the COPD cases were a direct result of marijuana smoking.

    How does prohibition effect the rate of occurrence of COPD?

    You already tried to sidestep the issue with an appeal to emotion - "unless you have it" - , but it needs addressed, your argument hinges on demonstrating that prohibition has a substantial negative impact on the rate of consumption of marijuana via smoking, and as a result is keeping the rate of COPD down.
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    Re: Marijuana legalization hearing tomorrow in California!

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    No thanks. I'm a teacher.
    That, is truly frightening.

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    Even dopers realize you need higher standards for those around their little ones
    I expect teachers to have some modicum of intelligence.

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    Re: Marijuana legalization hearing tomorrow in California!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    I'm only blaming the plant for the damage it does to one's lungs when smoked, not the problems of the world.
    Yea, well, they're my lungs, last time I checked. I certainly don't want you telling me what I can do to them, my lungs, that is...

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    Re: Marijuana legalization hearing tomorrow in California!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    The risks vary depending on the state you happen to be in. There are hundreds of shops selling marijuana openly in LA even as we speak.
    What does variance of risk and a relatively low risk outlet for medical patients in Ca. have to do with Goldenboy219's assertion that continued use in the face of high risk shows it is inelastic?
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    Re: Marijuana legalization hearing tomorrow in California!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    Tobacco should be illegal as well. If used as directed....it will amost certainly kill you.
    Basically, anything that is dangerous should be illegal.

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    Re: Marijuana legalization hearing tomorrow in California!

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    How is this a rebuttal to the argument that the effects of marijuana prohibition on society are a distinct entity independent of the effects of marijuana the drug?

    btw.. I agree we need a campaign to encourage children not to use marijuana as well as continuing the campaign to encourage them not to smoke tobacco. Which is why we need to end prohibition, so we can take steps to insure it is not readily available to our kids, and also take proactive steps to make it unappealing to children, neither of which are occuring in any way shape or form under prohibition.

    prohibition is encouraging children to use marijuana by making it effortless for them to get their hands on it, if we want to create an environment that minimizes exposure of children to marijuana, and a foundation for a legitimate campaign to lower marijuana usage among minors we need to first make some kind of attemp to get it out of their hands. Prohibition does NOT do that.
    When I was a minor the hardest substance for me to acquire was alcohol. Marijuana, on the other hand, was readily available to me from the day I learned how to ask for it.

    Prohibition puts drugs into the hands of children. I find it disturbing that a teacher would be in favor of such a thing...

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    Re: Marijuana legalization hearing tomorrow in California!

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    What about those who prefer to eat Cannabis? Lung Disease for them, too?
    What do you think?

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    Re: Marijuana legalization hearing tomorrow in California!

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Why are you so against people making their own choices?

    The warnings for smoking, drinking, driving, eating fastfood, and even using a hair dryer in the shower are stated plainly.

    Why do you feel compelled to legislate what people can and can't do when it doesn't violate your rights directly or indirectly?
    In thomas hobb's social contract theory people give up some freedom's to government in order to affect order. We call this order, law. You just happen to have the good luck/bad luck to be a part of a society that decided to outlaw the use of a number of drugs, marijuana among them. Here is a partial list of countries and the legality of canabis use in them. You will note many but not all allow it. Just be glad you're not bulgarian.

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