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United nations investigator launches probe into us housing crisis

PeteEU said:
Who says she has not? Now she wants to see how it is done right maybe? Maybe you missed the part where she praises the US....
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PeteEU which countries need investigating more in your opinion in terms of Human Rights abuses:

Cuba
North Korea
China
USA
Canada
Japan

Please list them in order which if you could make happen, you would. Seriously.
 
Agent Ferris said:
Do you have evidence that she has?
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You have evidence she has not? Do you have evidence that this is her first "investigation" ever in a job that she has had over year and in a position that has been active for a very long time??

But since you asked.

Special Rapporteur on adequate housing as a component of the right to an adequate standard of living, and on the right to non-discrimination in this context - Country visits

So since she took office in 2008, she has been Spain, South Africa, Maldives and Canada. Before her, the person in the position went to many countries as you can see from the list.
 
MrVicchio said:
PeteEU which countries need investigating more in your opinion in terms of Human Rights abuses:

Cuba
North Korea
China
USA
Canada
Japan

Please list them in order which if you could make happen, you would. Seriously.
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North Korea, Cuba, China, Japan, USA, Canada.

But let me ask you. Just because a country is a democracy and a free society, does that mean it should be exempt from any investigation of any sort into possible human rights abuses? Do you really believe that just because the US is a democracy (or Canada, or Spain or whoever) that they cant abuse human rights?
 
PeteEU said:
North Korea, Cuba, China, Japan, USA, Canada.

But let me ask you. Just because a country is a democracy and a free society, does that mean it should be exempt from any investigation of any sort into possible human rights abuses? Do you really believe that just because the US is a democracy (or Canada, or Spain or whoever) that they cant abuse human rights?
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They can.

They also have systems in place to correct that. The UN is not the right venue for such.
 
Agent Ferris said:
Ya those are countries with a prolific record of human rights abuses in need of serious scrutiny and investigation. :roll:
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Yeah, but they have much nicer hotels and restaurants than the countries that do have serious problems. You don't expect a UN representative to stay in a dive like a Hilton do you??
 
Agent Ferris said:
Ya those are countries with a prolific record of human rights abuses in need of serious scrutiny and investigation. :roll:
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So you loose the argument and now you turn to attacking what countries she visited? Have you even understood what her job is?
 
MrVicchio said:
They can.

They also have systems in place to correct that. The UN is not the right venue for such.
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If you want to have any legitimacy what so ever you can not single out countries you do not like and leave out your friends in any sort of investigation or role as these. That is the mistake the US congress did when they investigated Oil for Food.

You might think it is okay, but we both know the US was in breach of Human rights for the first 20 years after they were part of the countries to found the treaty. Yes segregation is against the treaty. In the end it took new legislation to stop the practice. Yes the UN had no doing in that, but I bet it did point out that segregation was against the UN human rights treaty and made the issue public. That is the whole point.

Another point is that no country should be excluded either way regardless of their human rights record, and if said country is living up to the treaty then good for them, but saying no to an investigation by the UN or anyone else is pretty much the same as Saddam and Iran saying no to UN inspectors when it came to WMD. If you are doing nothing wrong then why refuse an look in by international organisations? Is that not the argument you lot used against Saddam and so on?

We can not as a democratic nation set ourselves above others just because we think we are superior. Take Israel. Yes it gets more stick from the UN than some other countries, I agree, but just because it is Israel should that mean they should be given a free pass? The UN and other humanitarian organisations for years claimed Israel was using torture, and Israel denied doing so. And then one day they were forced to admit that they had and the UN and other humanitarian organisations were correct in their accusations. Just because Israel is a supposed democracy like the US, Spain, UK and the rest of the west, does not mean that governments are not capable of breaching human rights. In fact I should think that the west would welcome any investigation into them to prove their superiority on human rights over for the "usual suspects"...

But yes, the UN Human Rights Organisation should do more to promote human rights abuses in the "usual suspect" countries, and the media should do more to show that they are looking into it.

The way you guys are acting is like you have something to hide... have you?
 
PeteEU said:
The UN and other humanitarian organisations for years claimed Israel was using torture, and Israel denied doing so. And then one day they were forced to admit that they had and the UN and other humanitarian organisations were correct in their accusations.
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You have a link to this story? First I have heard of it.
 
reefedjib said:
You have a link to this story? First I have heard of it.
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The definition of torture changes. Used to be it was mistreating prisoners because you had a hate for them... pain just because they were the enemy.

Now it's if you don't put them in their own Hotel room with room service, full gym membership and full cable.
 
MrVicchio said:
The definition of torture changes. Used to be it was mistreating prisoners because you had a hate for them... pain just because they were the enemy.

Now it's if you don't put them in their own Hotel room with room service, full gym membership and full cable.
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Full cable? Including HBO?
 
MrVicchio said:
The definition of torture changes. Used to be it was mistreating prisoners because you had a hate for them... pain just because they were the enemy.

Now it's if you don't put them in their own Hotel room with room service, full gym membership and full cable.
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Only changes in the minds of those using torture.
 
PeteEU said:
Israel admits to torture of Arabs: Secret services use force on Palestinian detainees - World, News - The Independent

Israeli government report admits systematic torture of Palestinians | World news | The Guardian
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First of all, the Independent can kiss my ass! That website crashed my browser 3 times. I'll never visit them again.

Thanks for the link. This definitely stands in stark contrast to the US torture in Abu Graib, where there was only a limited involvment of the chain of command. This example goes to the top of Shin Bet. Here it says of the torture: "the most common techniques were violent shaking, tying up prisoners in painful positions, subjecting them to extreme heat or cold, beating and kicking" and I would say only the beating and kicking was torture. Those are the only techniques that would leave lasting damage.
 
reefedjib said:
First of all, the Independent can kiss my ass! That website crashed my browser 3 times. I'll never visit them again.
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Odd.. you checked for spyware and malware?
 
PeteEU said:
Odd.. you checked for spyware and malware?
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Yep, no worries. It was just some html that IE diddn't like. Probably IE not fully supporting the standard.
 
PeteEU said:
So you loose the argument and now you turn to attacking what countries she visited? Have you even understood what her job is?
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Her job is to investigate human rights abuses with regards to adequate housing but she has not investigated where these abuses are actually occurring.
 
reefedjib said:
Yep, no worries. It was just some html that IE diddn't like. Probably IE not fully supporting the standard.
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OMFG, I'm gonna agree with PeteEU... with a serious passion.

GET CHROME OR FIREFOX.

Seriously.
 
chevydriver1123 said:
I agree that we arent an isolated country but if a US bank has committed something illegal according to US laws than only US lawyers should look into it. The UN has no business in this.
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the US is just afraid of the world court. that is why they never signed on. a pack of..... at the top. well i won't say it. i always get in trouble when i use the cowards word.
 
katiegrrl0 said:
the US is just afraid of the world court. that is why they never signed on. a pack of..... at the top. well i won't say it. i always get in trouble when i use the cowards word.
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Um no we aren't afraid of it we didn't sign on to it because it violates the US Constitution in numerous ways.
 
Agent Ferris said:
Um no we aren't afraid of it we didn't sign on to it because it violates the US Constitution in numerous ways.
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like you don't violate it every day in one way or another. okay you can continue to hide behind a slip of paper that you have shredded a million times over. it is okay.
 
katiegrrl0 said:
like you don't violate it every day in one way or another.
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Such as?

okay you can continue to hide behind a slip of paper that you have shredded a million times over. it is okay.
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It's not a slip of paper it's the supreme law of the land, the ICC is a tyrannical body populated by unaccountable prosecutors and judges selected by a body populated by tyrannical and despotic regimes.

Sorry to disappoint but the U.S. won't be getting rid of due process for its citizens any time soon.
 
Agent Ferris said:
Such as?



It's not a slip of paper it's the supreme law of the land, the ICC is a tyrannical body populated by unaccountable prosecutors and judges selected by a body populated by tyrannical and despotic regimes.

Sorry to disappoint but the U.S. won't be getting rid of due process for its citizens any time soon.
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what due process your courts are let's make a deal. they are the biggest joke in the world.

it is a slip of paper that your last president **** on wiped his ass with and shined his shoes with, give me a break,
 
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