Page 4 of 6 FirstFirst ... 23456 LastLast
Results 31 to 40 of 55

Thread: United nations investigator launches probe into us housing crisis

  1. #31
    Banned
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Past the edge of the universe, through the singularity, and out the other side.
    Last Seen
    09-01-10 @ 05:23 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    4,324

    Re: United nations investigator launches probe into us housing crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post

    So since she took office in 2008, she has been Spain, South Africa, Maldives and Canada.
    Ya those are countries with a prolific record of human rights abuses in need of serious scrutiny and investigation.

  2. #32
    Sage
    Gill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    The Derby City
    Last Seen
    12-08-17 @ 10:39 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    8,686

    Re: United nations investigator launches probe into us housing crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Ya those are countries with a prolific record of human rights abuses in need of serious scrutiny and investigation.
    Yeah, but they have much nicer hotels and restaurants than the countries that do have serious problems. You don't expect a UN representative to stay in a dive like a Hilton do you??

    • "The America Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money." -- Alexis de Tocqueville





  3. #33
    Sage
    PeteEU's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Denmark
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 06:12 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    29,090

    Re: United nations investigator launches probe into us housing crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Ya those are countries with a prolific record of human rights abuses in need of serious scrutiny and investigation.
    So you loose the argument and now you turn to attacking what countries she visited? Have you even understood what her job is?
    PeteEU

  4. #34
    Sage
    PeteEU's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Denmark
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 06:12 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    29,090

    Re: United nations investigator launches probe into us housing crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    They can.

    They also have systems in place to correct that. The UN is not the right venue for such.
    If you want to have any legitimacy what so ever you can not single out countries you do not like and leave out your friends in any sort of investigation or role as these. That is the mistake the US congress did when they investigated Oil for Food.

    You might think it is okay, but we both know the US was in breach of Human rights for the first 20 years after they were part of the countries to found the treaty. Yes segregation is against the treaty. In the end it took new legislation to stop the practice. Yes the UN had no doing in that, but I bet it did point out that segregation was against the UN human rights treaty and made the issue public. That is the whole point.

    Another point is that no country should be excluded either way regardless of their human rights record, and if said country is living up to the treaty then good for them, but saying no to an investigation by the UN or anyone else is pretty much the same as Saddam and Iran saying no to UN inspectors when it came to WMD. If you are doing nothing wrong then why refuse an look in by international organisations? Is that not the argument you lot used against Saddam and so on?

    We can not as a democratic nation set ourselves above others just because we think we are superior. Take Israel. Yes it gets more stick from the UN than some other countries, I agree, but just because it is Israel should that mean they should be given a free pass? The UN and other humanitarian organisations for years claimed Israel was using torture, and Israel denied doing so. And then one day they were forced to admit that they had and the UN and other humanitarian organisations were correct in their accusations. Just because Israel is a supposed democracy like the US, Spain, UK and the rest of the west, does not mean that governments are not capable of breaching human rights. In fact I should think that the west would welcome any investigation into them to prove their superiority on human rights over for the "usual suspects"...

    But yes, the UN Human Rights Organisation should do more to promote human rights abuses in the "usual suspect" countries, and the media should do more to show that they are looking into it.

    The way you guys are acting is like you have something to hide... have you?
    PeteEU

  5. #35
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Last Seen
    07-23-12 @ 03:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Private
    Posts
    6,763
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: United nations investigator launches probe into us housing crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    The UN and other humanitarian organisations for years claimed Israel was using torture, and Israel denied doing so. And then one day they were forced to admit that they had and the UN and other humanitarian organisations were correct in their accusations.
    You have a link to this story? First I have heard of it.

  6. #36
    Sage
    Renae's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    San Antonio Texas
    Last Seen
    10-23-17 @ 10:14 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    38,972
    Blog Entries
    15

    Re: United nations investigator launches probe into us housing crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    You have a link to this story? First I have heard of it.
    The definition of torture changes. Used to be it was mistreating prisoners because you had a hate for them... pain just because they were the enemy.

    Now it's if you don't put them in their own Hotel room with room service, full gym membership and full cable.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



  7. #37
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Last Seen
    07-23-12 @ 03:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Private
    Posts
    6,763
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: United nations investigator launches probe into us housing crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    The definition of torture changes. Used to be it was mistreating prisoners because you had a hate for them... pain just because they were the enemy.

    Now it's if you don't put them in their own Hotel room with room service, full gym membership and full cable.
    Full cable? Including HBO?

  8. #38
    Sage
    PeteEU's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Denmark
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 06:12 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    29,090

    Re: United nations investigator launches probe into us housing crisis

    Last edited by PeteEU; 10-27-09 at 09:09 AM.
    PeteEU

  9. #39
    Sage
    PeteEU's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Denmark
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 06:12 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    29,090

    Re: United nations investigator launches probe into us housing crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    The definition of torture changes. Used to be it was mistreating prisoners because you had a hate for them... pain just because they were the enemy.

    Now it's if you don't put them in their own Hotel room with room service, full gym membership and full cable.
    Only changes in the minds of those using torture.
    PeteEU

  10. #40
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Last Seen
    07-23-12 @ 03:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Private
    Posts
    6,763
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: United nations investigator launches probe into us housing crisis

    First of all, the Independent can kiss my ass! That website crashed my browser 3 times. I'll never visit them again.

    Thanks for the link. This definitely stands in stark contrast to the US torture in Abu Graib, where there was only a limited involvment of the chain of command. This example goes to the top of Shin Bet. Here it says of the torture: "the most common techniques were violent shaking, tying up prisoners in painful positions, subjecting them to extreme heat or cold, beating and kicking" and I would say only the beating and kicking was torture. Those are the only techniques that would leave lasting damage.

Page 4 of 6 FirstFirst ... 23456 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •