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    Re: Why the Puplic Option is a failure

    How is it an option when your forced by the Government thugs (aka Police) to buy into said "option"?
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    Re: Why the Puplic Option is a failure

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    How is it an option when your forced by the Government thugs (aka Police) to buy into said "option"?

    Buy a different brand, aka private option.

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    Re: Why the Puplic Option is a failure

    I seem to remember some state or other (think it was Michigan?) tried a state sponsered statewide health care system. Last I heard it was an abysmal failure. What makes the federal government think that they can do better for a whole country?
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    Re: Why the Puplic Option is a failure

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Screw this debate over Public Option as framed by politicians who don't give a damn about what "We The People" want or need. This who HOAX of reform has nothing whatever to do with your health care it's about control.
    The house came out with a 1,000 plus page idea, and the senate has one over 1,500 pages.
    I say take 10 Democrats, 10 Republicans, 10 Doctors lock them in a room with no windows and only a bathroom no food only water and give them 10 sheets of paper and tell them you get to go home and get some sleep when you come up with health care reform. We'll tackle insurance reform next and separately.
    Oh yea I'd also tell Obama to sit down shut up and you get to sign the law but you don't get to make it into a socialist system.


    All this B.S. is not solving a damn thing it's only leading us into bigger government and giving that government more control over our lives and taking our freedoms away and it's not necessary to fix the problems. What is required is as my father used to tell me when approaching any task. Be systematic and logical determine a starting point and work in that direction until you reach your goal. Complicating everything we do is what got us into this mess in the first place. Making sense for a change could get us out.
    The only outcome I see here is 30 dead bodies.
    This is a very tempting idea, I have thought about it myself..
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    INI, its the insurance that is the problem.
    Why is this ?

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    Re: Why the Puplic Option is a failure

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    INI, its the insurance that is the problem.
    The problem is not just insurance. The government (state and federal) has screwed up the whole medical care system (with medicare and medicaid and various mandates) and now wants to "fix" it by taking it over entirely. By regulating it very closely, as proposed, the takeover will be effective in substance if not in form.

    Like any economic product, health care needs to be relatively free of government interference. Some light regulation to protect consumers would be fine, but economic regulation never produces good results over time.

    The innovation needed to truly reduce the cost of medical care will come only with freedom. Insurance costs can be reduced only if the costs of medical care are reduced. Most of the current health care proposals will reduce freedom and will increase costs and inhibit innovation.

    Providing a better mechanism to fund health care for those who can't afford it is fine. But, that doesn't require a total takeover of the system.

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    Re: Why the Puplic Option is a failure

    The public option is just a vote ensuring democrat dream. Cause once it's in, it never goes away, and those people enslaved to the system will never believe they can survive without it and will always vote for those that give them other peoples money.

    And that's sad really, so many people that believe they have to have help from the Government willing to throw away their personal freedom and liberty at the cost of forcing others to pay for them. So far we've drifted from the ideals that made us a Great nation.
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    Re: Why the Puplic Option is a failure

    The only reason this may fail is because people compromised and gave into the private health insurance companies, the conservatives, and moderates. What should have happened was a total change in the system and single payer only, getting for profit health care out of the way.

    That said, the public option would also work if the conservatives would get their heads out of their asses and back it. Conservadems and Republicans have really screwed the American people by allowing us to be ruled by for profit health insurance corporations. How wonderful.

    Anyway, Snowe has said she is not for a trigger as well. She compromised and came up with the idea and is now backing out like the rest of her Republican counterparts. It was all a ruse to screw us and get more contributions from the HCI.

    I hope that if a trigger option does go through, it is triggered the first week after passing. That would make my day. And, if the trigger is tripped, the option had better be stronger than anything they would have gotten with a straight option.
    It's time for a revolution in our country. Not a revolution forged with guns and bombs but a revolution forged of compassion and altruism. A revolution that extends a hand to those who don't have and who cannot. A revolution that makes Health Care available to all those in the US.

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    Re: Why the Puplic Option is a failure

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    The only reason this may fail is because people compromised and gave into the private health insurance companies, the conservatives, and moderates. What should have happened was a total change in the system and single payer only, getting for profit health care out of the way.

    That said, the public option would also work if the conservatives would get their heads out of their asses and back it. Conservadems and Republicans have really screwed the American people by allowing us to be ruled by for profit health insurance corporations. How wonderful.

    Anyway, Snowe has said she is not for a trigger as well. She compromised and came up with the idea and is now backing out like the rest of her Republican counterparts. It was all a ruse to screw us and get more contributions from the HCI.

    I hope that if a trigger option does go through, it is triggered the first week after passing. That would make my day. And, if the trigger is tripped, the option had better be stronger than anything they would have gotten with a straight option.
    The only ones that support single payer are those that believe that people aren't smart enough to support themselves and need government to get it right.

    Tyranny comes in many forms, and it always amazes me the number of people willingly seeking to be ruled over by others.
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    Re: Why the Puplic Option is a failure

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    The only reason this may fail is because people compromised and gave into the private health insurance companies, the conservatives, and moderates. What should have happened was a total change in the system and single payer only, getting for profit health care out of the way.

    That said, the public option would also work if the conservatives would get their heads out of their asses and back it. Conservadems and Republicans have really screwed the American people by allowing us to be ruled by for profit health insurance corporations. How wonderful.

    Anyway, Snowe has said she is not for a trigger as well. She compromised and came up with the idea and is now backing out like the rest of her Republican counterparts. It was all a ruse to screw us and get more contributions from the HCI.

    I hope that if a trigger option does go through, it is triggered the first week after passing. That would make my day. And, if the trigger is tripped, the option had better be stronger than anything they would have gotten with a straight option.
    What you are trying to say is the far left doesn't have the votes to pass their idea of health care reform........ thank God.

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    Re: Why the Puplic Option is a failure

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post

    Anyway, Snowe has said she is not for a trigger as well. She compromised and came up with the idea and is now backing out like the rest of her Republican counterparts. It was all a ruse to screw us and get more contributions from the HCI.

    I hope that if a trigger option does go through, it is triggered the first week after passing. That would make my day. And, if the trigger is tripped, the option had better be stronger than anything they would have gotten with a straight option.
    Wrong you have no clue what your talking about. Olympia didn't come up with the trigger option we had this in Maine she would never agree to it. The reason she voted for it to be moved out of committee is to have a full floor debate and vote, but then again most of you have no clue about Olympia voting record.

    Also the puplic option is a clear violation of the 1st Adm plain and simple, Congress can;t tell us what we can and can't choice nor can they tell us either you wil or we are going to fine you. It's time for someone to file a Class Action Lawsuit against Congress over this whole mess.

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