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US State Dept. - we do not support democracy under Obama

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The Obama administration has decided, as a way of placating the worst dictatorial filth of the earth - the IRI leadership - to cease supporting the democracy-seeking people of iran in their quest for freedom.

This turns so many myths on their head, and exposes the Left in the US as the frauds they are: "we only support democracy when WE want to," and when leaders the Far Left media hates (like Bush) support democracy, its evil.

There is no reason for the US to not continue supporting these democracy advocates - isn't that the fundamental goal of US foreign policy? - who are the shining light of what we in this country are supposed to be about. The terrorist filth that is the IRI government will never cease its nuclear weapons program, and undermining allies is certainly not going to grant further legitimacy or credibility to the US.

And didn't we all hear how Obama was going to lead the world into a more multilateral, diplomatic environment of peace and freedom?

How will that happen with him destroying the overwhelmed voices of democracy in iran?
 
rogerredy said:
There is no reason for the US to not continue supporting these democracy advocates -

isn't that the fundamental goal of US foreign policy? -
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There is no reason for the US not to start supporting democracy in the US if democracy is really what the US is supporting in other countries. ;)

Hold on, let's see if I got it right: democracy is not what the majority of people in any given country want for themselves; democracy is what the US penciled down for people of other countries. Is that correct?
 
Elena said:
There is no reason for the US not to start supporting democracy in the US if democracy is really what the US is supporting in other countries. ;)

Hold on, let's see if I got it right: democracy is not what the majority of people in any given country want for themselves; democracy is what the US penciled down for people of other countries. Is that correct?
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With stupendously moronic posts like this, is there a reason you are on this forum, outside of the obvious trolling?
 
This thread needs to be moved...it does not even come close to adhereing to the BN rules.
 
goldendog said:
This thread needs to be moved...it does not even come close to adhereing to the BN rules.
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What rules are those sweetie?

You mean threads that do not support our messiah of a president are not allowed on this forum?

Hilarious how you post the same drivel in what, 3 of the threads I have started, yet none have been deleted. Guess the forum isn't the protected leftwing bastion you thought it was. :rofl
 
Moderator's Warning:
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rogerredy said:
With stupendously moronic posts like this, is there a reason you are on this forum, outside of the obvious trolling?
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Yes. To get an answer to a question I asked earlier in light of your comment "There is no reason for the US to not continue supporting these democracy advocates - isn't that the fundamental goal of US foreign policy?" : "let's see if I got it right: democracy is not what the majority of people in any given country want for themselves; democracy is what the US penciled down for people of other countries. Is that correct?"
 
Elena said:
Yes. To get an answer to a question I asked earlier in light of your comment "There is no reason for the US to not continue supporting these democracy advocates - isn't that the fundamental goal of US foreign policy?" : "let's see if I got it right: democracy is not what the majority of people in any given country want for themselves; democracy is what the US penciled down for people of other countries. Is that correct?"
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It appears that there is a majority in Iran that want a democracy. Maybe not a democracy by the way that we would define a democracy, but certainly something better than what they have.
 
apdst said:
It appears that there is a majority in Iran that want a democracy. Maybe not a democracy by the way that we would define a democracy, but certainly something better than what they have.
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Brilliant answer!

a) they want "something better than what they have";
b) whatever they want is NOT a US-style "democracy";
c) if those who want "something better than what they have" are indeed in majority, THEY will sort it out themselves.
 
Elena said:
Brilliant answer!

a) they want "something better than what they have";
b) whatever they want is NOT a US-style "democracy";
c) if those who want "something better than what they have" are indeed in majority, THEY will sort it out themselves.
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Well, slowdown, you don't know that they don't want a US style democracy.

Bottom line, is that whatever system of freedom they wish to have, The United States, as the beacon of freedom for the entire world, has an obligation to at least lend moral support to them.
 
apdst said:
Bottom line, is that whatever system of freedom they wish to have, The United States, as the beacon of freedom for the entire world, has an obligation to at least lend moral support to them.
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Maybe it makes sense to Americans who still believe this ... well... :D

For the Western Europe what you just said is very questionable. For the rest of the world the words "the US is a beacon of freedom" is a sick joke; while the claim "the US has an obligation" to interfere in other countries business is a statement of aggression from self-righteous pricks.

Who gave the US the right to proclaim itself the world's policeman in the interests of US corporations? Sort out your own problems!
 
Elena said:
Maybe it makes sense to Americans who still believe this ... well... :D

For the Western Europe what you just said is very questionable. For the rest of the world the words "the US is a beacon of freedom" is a sick joke; while the claim "the US has an obligation" to interfere in other countries business is a statement of aggression from self-righteous pricks.
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You don't understand what is to be as free as we are, so of course it's questionable.

Who gave the US the right to proclaim itself the world's policeman in the interests of US corporations? Sort out your own problems!
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Perhaps the countries of the world should sort their own problems. But, when they're problems become our problems, it give us all the right to police their butts.

The Muslims hate Jews? That's fine, they can hate on the Jews all they want and we don't care, until they start targetting Americans in retaliation for American support of Israel. If we won't support Israel, then we have that right, we're free to choose to give them that support. Who are the Muslims to kill Americans, when we're just excercising our rights? Their problems became our problems when they started that.

The Communists could have done anything they wanted, if they hadn't made it obvious that their number one objective was Communist control of the world, including the United States. Their problems became our problems, again.

Iran had a revolution in the 70's and took 53 Americans hostage, tormenting and torturing them for over a year and a half. They made their problems our problem.

The punchline: don't make your problems our problems and we won't kick the **** out of you.
 
apdst said:
1. You don't understand what is to be as free as we are, so of course it's questionable.



2. Perhaps the countries of the world should sort their own problems. But, when they're problems become our problems, it give us all the right to police their butts.

3. The Muslims hate Jews? That's fine, they can hate on the Jews all they want and we don't care, until they start targetting Americans in retaliation for American support of Israel.

4. If we won't support Israel, then we have that right, we're free to choose to give them that support.

5. Who are the Muslims to kill Americans, when we're just excercising our rights? Their problems became our problems when they started that.

6. The Communists could have done anything they wanted, if they hadn't made it obvious that their number one objective was Communist control of the world, including the United States. Their problems became our problems, again.

7. Iran had a revolution in the 70's and took 53 Americans hostage, tormenting and torturing them for over a year and a half. They made their problems our problem.

The punchline: don't make your problems our problems and we won't kick the **** out of you.
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1. :roll: Of course, we don't. No one does, including Americans.

2. If only the US will keep its nose out of other countries problems...

3. If you don't care, why do you support Israel? Why do you make Muslim/Zionist problem YOUR problem?

4. If you freely chose to make Muslim/Zionist problem YOUR problem, then how can you complain about the consequences of your own free choice?!

5. If you freely chose to make Muslim/Zionist problem YOUR problem, then how can you complain about the consiquences of your own free choice?!

6. That makes sense only to an American.

7. Actually, it's the US that orchestrated that revolution thus making US geo-political games an Iranian problem that adversely affected not only Iranians, but 53 Americans hostages. A problem all of your own making... But don't let the facts stand in a way of a good story.

The punchline: don't make other countries hostages to the US geo-political games and the problems your policies create will not come to bite you in the a*se.
 
apdst said:
You don't understand what is to be as free as we are, so of course it's questionable.



Perhaps the countries of the world should sort their own problems. But, when they're problems become our problems, it give us all the right to police their butts.

The Muslims hate Jews? That's fine, they can hate on the Jews all they want and we don't care, until they start targetting Americans in retaliation for American support of Israel. If we won't support Israel, then we have that right, we're free to choose to give them that support. Who are the Muslims to kill Americans, when we're just excercising our rights? Their problems became our problems when they started that.

The Communists could have done anything they wanted, if they hadn't made it obvious that their number one objective was Communist control of the world, including the United States. Their problems became our problems, again.

Iran had a revolution in the 70's and took 53 Americans hostage, tormenting and torturing them for over a year and a half. They made their problems our problem.

The punchline: don't make your problems our problems and we won't kick the **** out of you.
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Well said....
 
Elena said:
1. :roll: Of course, we don't. No one does, including Americans.
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Are you an American? I'm thinking you're not, so who are you to judge?

2. If only the US will keep its nose out of other countries problems...
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More times than not, we get drug into it. We got drug into the ME's problems.

3. If you don't care, why do you support Israel? Why do you make Muslim/Zionist problem YOUR problem?
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Israel is a democracy. It's our obligation and our right to give financial support to whichever country we please. What right do the Muslims have to murder American civilians?

4. If you freely chose to make Muslim/Zionist problem YOUR problem, then how can you complain about the consequences of your own free choice?!
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See #3

5. If you freely chose to make Muslim/Zionist problem YOUR problem, then how can you complain about the consiquences of your own free choice?!
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How many times are you going to ask this question?

6. That makes sense only to an American.
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It makes sense to anyone who knows about history and world events.

7. Actually, it's the US that orchestrated that revolution thus making US geo-political games an Iranian problem that adversely affected not only Iranians, but 53 Americans hostages. A problem all of your own making... But don't let the facts stand in a way of a good story.
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This is what I mean about knowing about history and world events. The United States didn't orchestrate the Islamic Revolution in Iran. What right did the Iranians have to violate international laws regarding torture and the taking of hostages?

The punchline: don't make other countries hostages to the US geo-political games and the problems your policies create will not come to bite you in the a*se.
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If other countries kept their problems out of personal space, we wouldn't have to get involved.

If it weren't for American involvement in world events since 1945, the world would be a much sadder place.
 
apdst said:
1. Are you an American? I'm thinking you're not, so who are you to judge?



2. More times than not, we get drug into it. We got drug into the ME's problems.



3. Israel is a democracy. It's our obligation and our right to give financial support to whichever country we please. What right do the Muslims have to murder American civilians?



4. See #3



5. How many times are you going to ask this question?



6. It makes sense to anyone who knows about history and world events.



7. This is what I mean about knowing about history and world events. The United States didn't orchestrate the Islamic Revolution in Iran. What right did the Iranians have to violate international laws regarding torture and the taking of hostages?




8. If other countries kept their problems out of personal space, we wouldn't have to get involved.

9. If it weren't for American involvement in world events since 1945, the world would be a much sadder place.
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1. I do read threads on this forum...

2. But of course...

3. a) what is "democracy"? b) to do as you please is not an obligation, but a choice; c) if supporting Zionists against Muslims is your OBLIGATION, then don't say you were "dragged" into it; d) the same right you ascribed yourself in order to murder Muslim civilians.

4. see p.3

5. As many times as it will take for you to understand that US interference in other countries affairs will continue to bite you back.

6. No. Only to Americans with their special vision of history and modern reality.

7. a) Yes, you did. But if your Washington's Obcom said you didn't then you should never question what's been said.
b) the same rights the US ascribed itself to murder Serbian civilians and to violate international laws by dismembering their country.

8. Please, tell me in what way did Ukraine bring Ukrainian problems into the US "personal space" that your country can't stop itself from interferring into Ukrainian internal affairs? How did Georgia bring its problems into the US "personal space" that your country can't stop itself from interferring into Georgian internal affairs? Same can be said of Serbia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan... What are you doing sticking your collective nose where it doesn't belong? Looking for problems for yourselves by creating them for others? Then don't complain when you get them.

9. Yes, all those needless victims of wars initiated by the US in the name of greed of US corporations would be alive. How sad.
 
Didn't they *want* us out?
So they wanted us out - but they still want our money?

Our economy is in the ****ter ... and our government is depending on China for all our vittles, now ... so if they have a problem with loosing money that should, rightly, go to our own troubles then they should take it up with China.
(a bit of sarcasm but it made the point)

We cannot support the world
 
We once tried to stay neutral. In not one but 2 world wars. Know what that taught us? That weather we stick our noses in or not we will still get the nose chopped off. So why care what other countries think? Do what needs to be done for the USA's best intrests and tell everyone else to F off.

Look at it this way. We have three choices that we could make regarding Iran, Afghanistan, and N. Korea.

1: Withdraw completely and ignore them or talk to them diplomatically.

2: Go in with guns ablazing. We're doing this now.

3: Nuke those areas.

Which would you prefer? FYI, number 1 is out as we got screwed already trying it.

Of course there is one more thing that we as a nation could do.

Withdraw completely from all the worlds bullcrap and when ever you holler for help ignore ya. Completely close all our borders only buying that which is needed to maintain ourselves till we find better avenues of being self sufficiant. Shoot anyone that crosses the borders into the US. Meanwhile we build up our infrastructure, advance our sciences and due to that concentration totally out strip the entire world technologically. Sharing none of it.

I'd vote for this one myself.
 
apdst said:
It appears that there is a majority in Iran that want a democracy. Maybe not a democracy by the way that we would define a democracy, but certainly something better than what they have.
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Then they can revolt.
 
apdst said:
The United States, as the beacon of freedom for the entire world, has an obligation to at least lend moral support to them.
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Nothing in the Constitution authorizes the government to act in this manner.
 
Ikari said:
Nothing in the Constitution authorizes the government to act in this manner.
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To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

Furthermore; the United Nations Charter on Human Rights is, also, the Supreme Law of the Land:

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwith-standing.
 
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