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    Re: US State Dept. - we do not support democracy under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by rogerredy View Post
    Iran is responsible for maiming and murdering hundreds, if not thousands, of Americans. No country has killed more americans without a war than iran in american history. The US is LOOOOOOONG overdue in crushing that fascist, illegal dictatorship of thugs and murderers...
    No country has killed more people around the world (since 1945) than the US.
    To be a superstate a country needs to have not only the biggest fist, but brains -- something the US policymakers are distinctly lacking. Since 1990-s the US lost all credibility it ever had.

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    Re: US State Dept. - we do not support democracy under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Elena View Post
    No country has killed more people around the world (since 1945) than the US.
    To be a superstate a country needs to have not only the biggest fist, but brains -- something the US policymakers are distinctly lacking. Since 1990-s the US lost all credibility it ever had.
    From both of you: statistics and facts, please.
    That's a huge time-span and a mega number and such numbers can be faulted and incorrect.
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    Re: US State Dept. - we do not support democracy under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    From both of you: statistics and facts, please.
    That's a huge time-span and a mega number and such numbers can be faulted and incorrect.
    Take every war, conflict and coup started or orchestrated by the US and put together the number of all the victims.

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    Re: US State Dept. - we do not support democracy under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Elena View Post
    Take every war, conflict and coup started or orchestrated by the US and put together the number of all the victims.
    But such a broad span really brings into question several different things:

    How accurate are mortal-casualty reports from less-organized military and other factions? Example - If China was in a conflict and lost 50,000 servicement could we verify that in some way or asses it's accuracy?

    Of reported numbers in those military and faction numbers - which are military and which are civilian? Even in a well organized military, if we're fighting a faction or other organized group how can we truly tell one from the other?

    Of those reported numbers from such sources where accuracy might be in question what is from conflict, what is from their own friendly fire and what is from natural and other causes?

    There are a lot of variables and often a lot of unreported casualties and so forth ... It's hard to get a clear picture.

    And - from those other countries - what excursions have they commenced that we don't know about? How can we tell if those numbers aren't being reported with "casualties amid US-instigated conflict"

    If we intercede into someone's civil war what of those mortal-casualties are from their current conflict, unrelated to us, and what are directly from us?

    If we, as we've done in several operations and battles, side with allies who's to say just how many the British or the French have killed in comparison to the US?

    You two are talking of the last 50 years - every country that we've ever *knowingly* been involved in.

    I consider those statistics to be an unknown. . . especially when reports from some of those country have varied from 50,000 to 500,000 depending on who you talk to.
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    Re: US State Dept. - we do not support democracy under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    But such a broad span really brings into question several different things:

    How accurate are mortal-casualty reports

    If we intercede into someone's civil war

    If we, ... side with allies
    Take a middle figure...

    The US does not simply "intercede into someone's civil war", it stirres the sh*t, trains, arms and politicaly supports one side against the other, and when the flames are high, the US directly "intercedes" on the side it was previously grooming for war (as it was in former Yugoslavia). In this case, the US bears the full responsibility for the harm done.

    The US sided with the allies or the allies sided with the US?

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    Re: US State Dept. - we do not support democracy under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    And you don't know that they do.
    I think we do, they are protesting the existing govt which is not democratic.

    Iranian democracy activist Roya Boroumand, "Ask yourself why Iranians who protest in the street write things in English. They're not just practicing language skills."
    So why don't you enlighten us all on what other kind of govt they might want.
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