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    Re: US State Dept. - we do not support democracy under Obama

    We once tried to stay neutral. In not one but 2 world wars. Know what that taught us? That weather we stick our noses in or not we will still get the nose chopped off. So why care what other countries think? Do what needs to be done for the USA's best intrests and tell everyone else to F off.

    Look at it this way. We have three choices that we could make regarding Iran, Afghanistan, and N. Korea.

    1: Withdraw completely and ignore them or talk to them diplomatically.

    2: Go in with guns ablazing. We're doing this now.

    3: Nuke those areas.

    Which would you prefer? FYI, number 1 is out as we got screwed already trying it.

    Of course there is one more thing that we as a nation could do.

    Withdraw completely from all the worlds bullcrap and when ever you holler for help ignore ya. Completely close all our borders only buying that which is needed to maintain ourselves till we find better avenues of being self sufficiant. Shoot anyone that crosses the borders into the US. Meanwhile we build up our infrastructure, advance our sciences and due to that concentration totally out strip the entire world technologically. Sharing none of it.

    I'd vote for this one myself.
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    Re: US State Dept. - we do not support democracy under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Elena View Post
    c) if those who want "something better than what they have" are indeed in majority, THEY will sort it out themselves.
    Um not when the minority has the guns.

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    Re: US State Dept. - we do not support democracy under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It appears that there is a majority in Iran that want a democracy. Maybe not a democracy by the way that we would define a democracy, but certainly something better than what they have.
    Then they can revolt.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: US State Dept. - we do not support democracy under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The United States, as the beacon of freedom for the entire world, has an obligation to at least lend moral support to them.
    Nothing in the Constitution authorizes the government to act in this manner.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: US State Dept. - we do not support democracy under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Nothing in the Constitution authorizes the government to act in this manner.

    To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;


    Furthermore; the United Nations Charter on Human Rights is, also, the Supreme Law of the Land:

    This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwith-standing.

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    Re: US State Dept. - we do not support democracy under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post

    To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;


    Furthermore; the United Nations Charter on Human Rights is, also, the Supreme Law of the Land:

    This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwith-standing.
    We can go after pirates, true. That has nothing to do with moral obligation towards spreading democracy across the globe. So I don't really know what the **** you were trying to convey there.

    We are also allowed to sign treaty, and so long as war isn't declared that treaty is considered law of the land. Did we sign a treaty that said it is the United States moral obligation to police the world and bring democracy to all? Cause I think I missed that one if we did.

    So two swings and two misses. What else?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: US State Dept. - we do not support democracy under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    We can go after pirates, true.
    We can go after those who violate the laws of nations; such as, Iran.

    That has nothing to do with moral obligation towards spreading democracy across the globe. So I don't really know what the **** you were trying to convey there.

    We are also allowed to sign treaty, and so long as war isn't declared that treaty is considered law of the land. Did we sign a treaty that said it is the United States moral obligation to police the world and bring democracy to all? Cause I think I missed that one if we did.
    The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the UN Charter, International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, etc.

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    Re: US State Dept. - we do not support democracy under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    We can go after those who violate the laws of nations; such as, Iran.
    If they are aggressor, yes we can fight them. If they attack us or others, we may respond (depending on what treaty we have active and if the action warrants response). We are not obligated nor authorized to run around the globe bringing our version of "democracy" to other countries. Nowhere are we authorized with that. Not by We the People, and not through treaty of the UN.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the UN Charter, International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, etc.
    It merely states "rights" and other crap. It's not an authorization of war. Nor should such a general authorization ever be looked at as legitimate.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: US State Dept. - we do not support democracy under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Then they can revolt.
    They did, and were shot by the dozens and beaten by the thousands in the streets.

    They were then arrested en masse and tortured and murdered in the iranian prisons/gulags.

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    Re: US State Dept. - we do not support democracy under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    If they are aggressor, yes we can fight them. If they attack us or others, we may respond (depending on what treaty we have active and if the action warrants response). We are not obligated nor authorized to run around the globe bringing our version of "democracy" to other countries. Nowhere are we authorized with that. Not by We the People, and not through treaty of the UN.
    Iran is responsible for maiming and murdering hundreds, if not thousands, of Americans. No country has killed more americans without a war than iran in american history. The US is LOOOOOOONG overdue in crushing that fascist, illegal dictatorship of thugs and murderers...

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