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    Re: US State Dept. - we do not support democracy under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Elena View Post
    Brilliant answer!

    a) they want "something better than what they have";
    b) whatever they want is NOT a US-style "democracy";
    c) if those who want "something better than what they have" are indeed in majority, THEY will sort it out themselves.
    Well, slowdown, you don't know that they don't want a US style democracy.

    Bottom line, is that whatever system of freedom they wish to have, The United States, as the beacon of freedom for the entire world, has an obligation to at least lend moral support to them.
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    Re: US State Dept. - we do not support democracy under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Well, slowdown, you don't know that they don't want a US style democracy.
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    And you don't know that they do.

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    Re: US State Dept. - we do not support democracy under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    And you don't know that they do.
    Annnnnnnd, I never said that I did, either. I left that question open. Howdaya like me now?!?!
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    Re: US State Dept. - we do not support democracy under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Bottom line, is that whatever system of freedom they wish to have, The United States, as the beacon of freedom for the entire world, has an obligation to at least lend moral support to them.
    Maybe it makes sense to Americans who still believe this ... well...

    For the Western Europe what you just said is very questionable. For the rest of the world the words "the US is a beacon of freedom" is a sick joke; while the claim "the US has an obligation" to interfere in other countries business is a statement of aggression from self-righteous pricks.

    Who gave the US the right to proclaim itself the world's policeman in the interests of US corporations? Sort out your own problems!

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    Re: US State Dept. - we do not support democracy under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Elena View Post
    Maybe it makes sense to Americans who still believe this ... well...

    For the Western Europe what you just said is very questionable. For the rest of the world the words "the US is a beacon of freedom" is a sick joke; while the claim "the US has an obligation" to interfere in other countries business is a statement of aggression from self-righteous pricks.


    You don't understand what is to be as free as we are, so of course it's questionable.

    Who gave the US the right to proclaim itself the world's policeman in the interests of US corporations? Sort out your own problems!
    Perhaps the countries of the world should sort their own problems. But, when they're problems become our problems, it give us all the right to police their butts.

    The Muslims hate Jews? That's fine, they can hate on the Jews all they want and we don't care, until they start targetting Americans in retaliation for American support of Israel. If we won't support Israel, then we have that right, we're free to choose to give them that support. Who are the Muslims to kill Americans, when we're just excercising our rights? Their problems became our problems when they started that.

    The Communists could have done anything they wanted, if they hadn't made it obvious that their number one objective was Communist control of the world, including the United States. Their problems became our problems, again.

    Iran had a revolution in the 70's and took 53 Americans hostage, tormenting and torturing them for over a year and a half. They made their problems our problem.

    The punchline: don't make your problems our problems and we won't kick the **** out of you.
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    Re: US State Dept. - we do not support democracy under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post

    1. You don't understand what is to be as free as we are, so of course it's questionable.



    2. Perhaps the countries of the world should sort their own problems. But, when they're problems become our problems, it give us all the right to police their butts.

    3. The Muslims hate Jews? That's fine, they can hate on the Jews all they want and we don't care, until they start targetting Americans in retaliation for American support of Israel.

    4. If we won't support Israel, then we have that right, we're free to choose to give them that support.

    5. Who are the Muslims to kill Americans, when we're just excercising our rights? Their problems became our problems when they started that.

    6. The Communists could have done anything they wanted, if they hadn't made it obvious that their number one objective was Communist control of the world, including the United States. Their problems became our problems, again.

    7. Iran had a revolution in the 70's and took 53 Americans hostage, tormenting and torturing them for over a year and a half. They made their problems our problem.

    The punchline: don't make your problems our problems and we won't kick the **** out of you.
    1. Of course, we don't. No one does, including Americans.

    2. If only the US will keep its nose out of other countries problems...

    3. If you don't care, why do you support Israel? Why do you make Muslim/Zionist problem YOUR problem?

    4. If you freely chose to make Muslim/Zionist problem YOUR problem, then how can you complain about the consequences of your own free choice?!

    5. If you freely chose to make Muslim/Zionist problem YOUR problem, then how can you complain about the consiquences of your own free choice?!

    6. That makes sense only to an American.

    7. Actually, it's the US that orchestrated that revolution thus making US geo-political games an Iranian problem that adversely affected not only Iranians, but 53 Americans hostages. A problem all of your own making... But don't let the facts stand in a way of a good story.

    The punchline: don't make other countries hostages to the US geo-political games and the problems your policies create will not come to bite you in the a*se.

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    Re: US State Dept. - we do not support democracy under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You don't understand what is to be as free as we are, so of course it's questionable.



    Perhaps the countries of the world should sort their own problems. But, when they're problems become our problems, it give us all the right to police their butts.

    The Muslims hate Jews? That's fine, they can hate on the Jews all they want and we don't care, until they start targetting Americans in retaliation for American support of Israel. If we won't support Israel, then we have that right, we're free to choose to give them that support. Who are the Muslims to kill Americans, when we're just excercising our rights? Their problems became our problems when they started that.

    The Communists could have done anything they wanted, if they hadn't made it obvious that their number one objective was Communist control of the world, including the United States. Their problems became our problems, again.

    Iran had a revolution in the 70's and took 53 Americans hostage, tormenting and torturing them for over a year and a half. They made their problems our problem.

    The punchline: don't make your problems our problems and we won't kick the **** out of you.
    Well said....

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    Re: US State Dept. - we do not support democracy under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Elena View Post
    1. Of course, we don't. No one does, including Americans.
    Are you an American? I'm thinking you're not, so who are you to judge?

    2. If only the US will keep its nose out of other countries problems...
    More times than not, we get drug into it. We got drug into the ME's problems.

    3. If you don't care, why do you support Israel? Why do you make Muslim/Zionist problem YOUR problem?
    Israel is a democracy. It's our obligation and our right to give financial support to whichever country we please. What right do the Muslims have to murder American civilians?

    4. If you freely chose to make Muslim/Zionist problem YOUR problem, then how can you complain about the consequences of your own free choice?!
    See #3

    5. If you freely chose to make Muslim/Zionist problem YOUR problem, then how can you complain about the consiquences of your own free choice?!
    How many times are you going to ask this question?

    6. That makes sense only to an American.
    It makes sense to anyone who knows about history and world events.

    7. Actually, it's the US that orchestrated that revolution thus making US geo-political games an Iranian problem that adversely affected not only Iranians, but 53 Americans hostages. A problem all of your own making... But don't let the facts stand in a way of a good story.
    This is what I mean about knowing about history and world events. The United States didn't orchestrate the Islamic Revolution in Iran. What right did the Iranians have to violate international laws regarding torture and the taking of hostages?

    The punchline: don't make other countries hostages to the US geo-political games and the problems your policies create will not come to bite you in the a*se.

    If other countries kept their problems out of personal space, we wouldn't have to get involved.

    If it weren't for American involvement in world events since 1945, the world would be a much sadder place.
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    Re: US State Dept. - we do not support democracy under Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post

    1. Are you an American? I'm thinking you're not, so who are you to judge?



    2. More times than not, we get drug into it. We got drug into the ME's problems.



    3. Israel is a democracy. It's our obligation and our right to give financial support to whichever country we please. What right do the Muslims have to murder American civilians?



    4. See #3



    5. How many times are you going to ask this question?



    6. It makes sense to anyone who knows about history and world events.



    7. This is what I mean about knowing about history and world events. The United States didn't orchestrate the Islamic Revolution in Iran. What right did the Iranians have to violate international laws regarding torture and the taking of hostages?




    8. If other countries kept their problems out of personal space, we wouldn't have to get involved.

    9. If it weren't for American involvement in world events since 1945, the world would be a much sadder place.
    1. I do read threads on this forum...

    2. But of course...

    3. a) what is "democracy"? b) to do as you please is not an obligation, but a choice; c) if supporting Zionists against Muslims is your OBLIGATION, then don't say you were "dragged" into it; d) the same right you ascribed yourself in order to murder Muslim civilians.

    4. see p.3

    5. As many times as it will take for you to understand that US interference in other countries affairs will continue to bite you back.

    6. No. Only to Americans with their special vision of history and modern reality.

    7. a) Yes, you did. But if your Washington's Obcom said you didn't then you should never question what's been said.
    b) the same rights the US ascribed itself to murder Serbian civilians and to violate international laws by dismembering their country.

    8. Please, tell me in what way did Ukraine bring Ukrainian problems into the US "personal space" that your country can't stop itself from interferring into Ukrainian internal affairs? How did Georgia bring its problems into the US "personal space" that your country can't stop itself from interferring into Georgian internal affairs? Same can be said of Serbia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan... What are you doing sticking your collective nose where it doesn't belong? Looking for problems for yourselves by creating them for others? Then don't complain when you get them.

    9. Yes, all those needless victims of wars initiated by the US in the name of greed of US corporations would be alive. How sad.

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    Re: US State Dept. - we do not support democracy under Obama

    Didn't they *want* us out?
    So they wanted us out - but they still want our money?

    Our economy is in the ****ter ... and our government is depending on China for all our vittles, now ... so if they have a problem with loosing money that should, rightly, go to our own troubles then they should take it up with China.
    (a bit of sarcasm but it made the point)

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