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    Re: Lou Dobbs calls Fox Business reporter ’self-important ass,’ claims he wants more

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Why not? I don't see that assertion anywhere in the video...he's just saying that allowing immigration isn't going to reduce overpopulation in the developing world. That's true, but not particularly relevant to the economic arguments in favor of immigration.
    It's been months since I last watched the long version. I think it talks about our not being able to afford increased immigration.

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    Re: Lou Dobbs calls Fox Business reporter ’self-important ass,’ claims he wants more

    I have always thought Dobbs should change his name to 'Sweet Lou Dobbs'.

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    Re: Lou Dobbs calls Fox Business reporter ’self-important ass,’ claims he wants more

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Lou Dobbs is a self-important ass, and a frightening demagogue. Stossel is absolutely right on this issue. I really don't know where Dobbs ever got the idea that "basic economics" supports his xenophobia and protectionism. I would bet that the vast majority of economists support a very liberal immigration policy, and I know for a fact that most economists disagree with Dobbs' protectionist views. 83.3% of economists agreed with the statement "The US should eliminate remaining tariffs and other barriers to trade"...and 37.1% strongly agreed with that statement.
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    I would agree with you that economic protectionism doesnt work but Dobbs is no bigot. If you want to see a bigot in the illegal-immigration debate look at people like Frosty Woodridge, that guy is nothing but a racial collectivist but hides under the illegal immigration banner.
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    Re: Lou Dobbs calls Fox Business reporter ’self-important ass,’ claims he wants more

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The arguments of those of us who favor more liberal immigration policies aren't based on any desire to prevent overpopulation in the third world. The fact is that immigration is good for American consumers (goods/services are cheaper), it's good for our economy (more people buying and selling more goods/services), it's good for American workers (immigrants are much more likely to start their own businesses than native-born Americans), it's good for the immigrants (they earn more money), and it's good for their native countries (they send remittances to family members back home).

    I agree with this guy that we need to do a lot more to assist the developing world with family planning and birth control, but that's no excuse to shut off the immigration valve.
    Bull****, the people who favor liberal immigration are liberals. AND THE SOLE REASON IS VOTERS. MORE VOTERS MORE POWER AND LONGER CAREERS IN CONGRESS PASSING MORE LIBERAL POLICIES. It's as simple as that. And yes, I question their patriotism.
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    Re: Lou Dobbs calls Fox Business reporter ’self-important ass,’ claims he wants more

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Bull****, the people who favor liberal immigration are liberals.
    What does that have to do with anything? You do realize that just saying "ZOMG UR LIBERAL LULZ" doesn't win you the argument, right?

    BTW, plenty of prominent conservative economists have supported more open immigration. Greg Mankiw supports it. Lawrence Kudlow supports it. Milton Friedman supported it with caveats.

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    AND THE SOLE REASON IS VOTERS. MORE VOTERS MORE POWER AND LONGER CAREERS IN CONGRESS PASSING MORE LIBERAL POLICIES. It's as simple as that. And yes, I question their patriotism.
    I'm not sure if this post was just meant to troll, or if you really are this ignorant. Try picking up an economics book before you just assume that anyone who supports immigration has some political motive in mind.

    In any case, there's nothing in your post resembling a logical argument or a rebuttal to any of the points that I made in my previous post. Just a few ad hominem attacks.
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    Re: Lou Dobbs calls Fox Business reporter ’self-important ass,’ claims he wants more

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    It's been months since I last watched the long version. I think it talks about our not being able to afford increased immigration.
    But that would go against the conservative theory that the pie gets bigger, not that we cut more slices?

    Anyway, I think most every economist believes that legal immigration helps the economy.... as long as they are coming in to work.

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    Re: Lou Dobbs calls Fox Business reporter ’self-important ass,’ claims he wants more

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe1991 View Post
    But that would go against the conservative theory that the pie gets bigger, not that we cut more slices?

    Anyway, I think most every economist believes that legal immigration helps the economy.... as long as they are coming in to work.
    Did you watch the long version of the video?

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    Re: Lou Dobbs calls Fox Business reporter ’self-important ass,’ claims he wants more

    Lou using the word trick is priceless to me. LOL! I like em both though.
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    Re: Lou Dobbs calls Fox Business reporter ’self-important ass,’ claims he wants more

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    It's been months since I last watched the long version. I think it talks about our not being able to afford increased immigration.
    I just watched the long version. His argument that we cannot afford immigration is based on two flawed assumptions:

    First, he uses the US population in 1970 as a baseline, to which he compares immigration since 1970. This is flawed; even if Congress completely halted all immigration and the executive branch was 100% effective at enforcing it, a lot of the "red" part of the graph would still grow from the people who are already here. He should be using the population in 2009 as a baseline, unless he honestly thinks that we can effectively deport people who have been here for 30 years (many of whom are citizens by now) and that doing so would be a good idea. But he doesn't make that argument in the video; he just argues that we should reduce the number of NEW immigrants.

    Second, he assumes that such a growth level is unmanageable, and will result in a huge burden on our schools, parks, and other public facilities. In reality, the current population growth is not a radical departure from the historical norm. According to the US Census, here is the annual population growth in the US:

    1910 - 1.9%
    1920 - 1.4%
    1930 - 1.5%
    1940 - 0.7%
    1950 - 1.4%
    1960 - 1.7%
    1970 - 1.3%
    1980 - 1.1%
    1990 - 0.9%
    2000 - 1.2%

    As you can see, our current level of population growth is about average or even a little below average. During the past 100 years, we've not only been able to accommodate that level of population growth, but we've built our economy into a powerhouse at the same time.
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    Re: Lou Dobbs calls Fox Business reporter ’self-important ass,’ claims he wants more

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Spot on as usual, and further evidence of why Fox has become big brother t.v.
    WTF are you talking about? Stossel works for Fox News and Lou Dobbs works for CNN.

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