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    Re: The Face of Gay Marriage? Video clip from Maine newscast

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Marriage is not about equality as gay-marriage is not a civil rights issue. It never was.
    Yeah I know. It was always about male property rights. Definitely not equality.

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    Re: The Face of Gay Marriage? Video clip from Maine newscast

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Bull****, bull****, and bull****


    You keep trying to spin gay marriage in any way you can, but the truth is, it is a civil rights issue, as he put it, every adult should be able to marry the adult of their choice. Your intense fear of gay's being able to marry is amusing, but it's hardly going to stop things from changing, and you are either going to have to get over it, or live in fear.
    How many wives can you have? Can you marry your widowed or divorced mother, or sister?
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    Re: The Face of Gay Marriage? Video clip from Maine newscast

    My friend recently got married to a Muslim man and it did not involve a provincial marriage license whatsoever. In Islam, the only thing that validates marriage is the vows between partners and the marriage in the eyes of their community. They'll only seek a marriage license if they want state benefits, and that, in my view, is what this argument is actually about. Too many bigots hide behind the idea that your marriage isn't real unless it's licensed, and yet they protest expansion of government powers; well, look in the mirror, bucko. Marriage is about families and communities, period. Two gay people can and do get married, and it's legitimate to those who matter most.

    The ceremony is irrelevant to the state licensing process. People can have any religious or community ceremony they want. This is about one type of partnership getting benefits while other types of partners are excluded, even though all kinds of partnerships are involved in raising children. If heterosexuals get to receive benefits using my tax dollars, then I should get the same benefits when I someday marry a man. It's just that simple. And I want homosexual parents to have all the state benefits that heterosexuals get for raising their families. Conservatives who claim to be about family values hypocritically gloss over this fact in their non-stop tirade against homosexual equality.

    Separate but equal does not work. Every argument I've heard against marriage are arguments that have been generated by neo-con think tanks in the United States. They use specific legal and constitutional minutiae to bog down the argument. The bottom line is, this is an equality issue, and it won't rest until equilibrium is reached. That day will come, and the conservative right can either accept that fact, or live in misery. Either way, I don't give a toss what they think. Most of the Western world embraces licensing for homosexual partnerships. The U.S. is just a little slow on the uptake, but it'll come around.

    I'm also not interested in what people think the historical relationship is to modern marriage. The issue is so diverse globally that there is no 'correct' answer. You can isolate any culture you want to prove your point. This is about the rights of the people in modern society, in your country, and issues relevant to now. I don't really care what some society did in the bronze age.

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    Re: The Face of Gay Marriage? Video clip from Maine newscast

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    polygamy is a different story...
    Not by your standard, no, it's not.

    You asked "do you want to marry a non related adult"...I can't marry a non-related adult if I or that adult are already married.

    By your logic polygamists are not being treated equally.

    You didn't include a marriage qualifier in your question so I'm free to assume whatever value for that attribute I see fit and argue accordingly.

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    Re: The Face of Gay Marriage? Video clip from Maine newscast

    Quote Originally Posted by submarinepainter View Post
    oh knock it off !! I will not support incest in anyway as I am willing to bet that most gays would not, I am talking about adults (that are not related) having a free choice , this doesn't not include animals , children or relations oh and space aliens!!
    Incest is necessarily a logical consequence of "a person can not help who they love and they should be allowed to marry that person if they so choose".

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    I would argue that a person does have a strong control over exactly who they love, but that wasn't your point.
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    Re: The Face of Gay Marriage? Video clip from Maine newscast

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Wait...you don't see the hostility it's treated with as a distraction in and of itself.
    I think you're right, which only generates more hostility at yet another distraction, compelling me to get rid of the root cause even more.

    Swat the mosquito and scratch the itch.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    How about if the anti-gm side did something constructive with their money and energy like charity work and social activism to fight real social problems instead of attacking something that doesn't affect them to start with?
    I didn't see that on the ballot....

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    Re: The Face of Gay Marriage? Video clip from Maine newscast

    Quote Originally Posted by Toothpicvic View Post
    Yeah I know. It was always about male property rights. Definitely not equality.
    The misandry is oozing over with this one

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    Re: The Face of Gay Marriage? Video clip from Maine newscast

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I was waiting for the polygamy red herring. You are using all the same tired old arguments that have been destroyed time and again.
    Has beastilty been brought up yet? They love to use that one too
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    Re: The Face of Gay Marriage? Video clip from Maine newscast

    Quote Originally Posted by submarinepainter View Post
    oh knock it off !! I will not support incest in anyway as I am willing to bet that most gays would not, I am talking about adults (that are not related) having a free choice , this doesn't not include animals , children or relations oh and space aliens!!
    Why are you opposed to incest? As long as it is legal adults? I do not care one bit

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