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    Re: The Face of Gay Marriage? Video clip from Maine newscast

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    why doesn't that right exist, if the right to marry the opposite sex does?
    For the same reason my sammich doesn't exist: You haven't made it yet.

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    where did THAT right come from?
    A compelling desire for successful societies to protect relationships which formed and maintained a family.

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    as long as a person can't marry who they choose to marry, they are not being treated equally.
    I can't marry whom I choose to, therefore I'm being treated unequally as well.

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    Re: The Face of Gay Marriage? Video clip from Maine newscast

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    So then, you are gonna try to peddle your opinion and not anything of substance or fact?
    Not while I'm farming achievements, no.

    Maybe later tonight.

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    Re: The Face of Gay Marriage? Video clip from Maine newscast

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    For the same reason my sammich doesn't exist: You haven't made it yet.

    They knew they couldn't do everything when they made this country, that's why they gave us the tools to better it.



    A compelling desire for successful societies to protect relationships which formed and maintained a family.



    I can't marry whom I choose to, therefore I'm being treated unequally as well.
    i suspect there are good reasons for that.......

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: The Face of Gay Marriage? Video clip from Maine newscast

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i suspect there are good reasons for that.......
    Maybe, maybe not, but your criteria doesn't allow for reasons either way, so who cares.

    I can't marry just whomever I want, so therefore, by your standard, I'm not being treated equally.

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    Re: The Face of Gay Marriage? Video clip from Maine newscast

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Maybe, maybe not, but your criteria doesn't allow for reasons either way, so who cares.

    I can't marry just whomever I want, so therefore, by your standard, I'm not being treated equally.
    do you want to marry a non related adult? if so, you're right, you aren't being treated equally.

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: The Face of Gay Marriage? Video clip from Maine newscast

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    That is a totally false statement. Totally false.
    Really? Until the last decade or so, can you name anyplace in the world that defined marriage as something other than a legally recognized union between a man and a woman? I honestly can't think of any nation, civilization, or culture--even among primitive indigenous tribes--that marriage has been defined as anything else. By 'legally recognized' I mean that marriage is a legal contract in some places and in all places it implies a more or less permanent union that includes certain expectations of duties, rights, privileges, etc. that vary from group to group.

    Even in cultures allowing polygamy nobody married two people at once. Each marriage was between one man and one woman even when that action happened multiple times.
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    Re: The Face of Gay Marriage? Video clip from Maine newscast

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Really? Until the last decade or so, can you name anyplace in the world that defined marriage as something other than a legally recognized union between a man and a woman? I honestly can't think of any nation, civilization, or culture--even among primitive indigenous tribes--that marriage has been defined as anything else. By 'legally recognized' I mean that marriage is a legal contract in some places and in all places it implies a more or less permanent union that includes certain expectations of duties, rights, privileges, etc. that vary from group to group.

    Even in cultures allowing polygamy nobody married two people at once. Each marriage was between one man and one woman even when that action happened multiple times.
    Sparta. It's the example that comes to mind immediately.

    It's well known that India had marriages between two men.

    And you don't get to move the goal posts here. Your statement was a blanket statement concerning all cultures going back millenia. It is a fairly recent development, relatively speaking, that marriage is a legal institution and not just a cultural/religious one. For you to now place expectations of modern standards to ancient practices only shows that you already know yourself to be wrong about this and are simply trying to do damage control.

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    Re: The Face of Gay Marriage? Video clip from Maine newscast

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    do you want to marry a non related adult?
    Let's say i do....


    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    if so, you're right, you aren't being treated equally.
    Poligamy ftw

    But I think your "non-related" comment is fairly bigoted, as 1: familial relation is a protected class while sexual orientation is not, and 2: people with other inheritable genetic diseases are allowed to marry, so there's no reason not to allow incest.

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    Re: The Face of Gay Marriage? Video clip from Maine newscast

    Excerpting just some of the comments directed at my post:

    Jackalope writes
    Marriage is a contract between two people, from which some people can be excluded b/c of gender. Two people can marry, unless their gender is the same. It's so silly. Actually, silly diminishes the wrong done. It's most definitely a civil rights and equality issue. Nobody is changing the definition, it's not a new contract being defined, it's simply eliminating exclusion b/c it's two people of the same gender rather than two people of different genders.

    It's still a simple, straight-up, two-party contract.
    It does change the definition if anybody other than a man and woman marry because until recently the definition of marriage was regarded as one man and one woman in all 50 states.


    Liblady writes
    a civil union isn't a new institution, it's simply a new name for "marriage" outside a church. any marriage outside a church is a civil union, no more, no less.

    so, gays should be allowed to civilly marry. get a license, go to a jp (lol.....hopefully) and marry.

    And also:
    heterosexuals can marry, homosexuals cannot. not equal. simple as that.
    Yes it would be a new institution because nothing like it has previously existed. Under current marriage laws in all or most states there are restrictions related to age, close blood relationships, certain communicable diseases, and requirement that both parties be unmarried and consent to the marriage laws. Previous truly discriminatory laws based on race have been eliminated in all 50 states. Not a single states discriminates based on sexual orientation or inquires about that. Homosexual people can marry exactly as heterosexual people marry but they all have to follow the same laws. The laws that relate to gender are no different nor more discriminatory than the laws related to blood relationship, age, communicable diseases, etc. and they apply equally to everybody.

    Whether the defnition of marriage should be changed is the debate. Not whether there is equality because there is clearly equality.

    Redress writes
    You seem badly confused on alot of things, but I am only going to talk about one. When the law is such that it is the same for all, but really only effects one group, then it is not equal. Sometimes there is a good reason for this, but not in this case. There is no harm from allowing gays to marry, no reason to protect society from gays being married, and as such, there is no logical reason not to allow gays to marriage. Hell, gays can hardly do worse at it than strait people do.
    Currently the majority of Americans feel that changing the definition of marriage would change marriage into something that it is not and is not intended to be, and would not be in the best interest of Americans whether they be straight or gay. Whether that attitude is or is not the correct one is where the debate should be, and not on whether gays are being discriminated against. They aren't so far as marriage is concerned.

    TheNextEra writes
    And when gay marriage is legalized, heterosexuals can marry anyone of the same sex just like gays can. Equality achieved as well.
    That is true. And marriage will be something quite different from what it now is. Whether that would be a good or bad thing is where the debate should be and not on an issue of equality.
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    Re: The Face of Gay Marriage? Video clip from Maine newscast

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post

    Poligamy ftw
    I was waiting for the polygamy red herring. You are using all the same tired old arguments that have been destroyed time and again.
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