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    Re: The Face of Gay Marriage? Video clip from Maine newscast

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    No, gay marriage is about changing the definition of marriage. It wasn't always that way, but for some decades now, at least until a few courts/legislatures started dickering with them, the marriage laws in every state were 100% equal for everybody. Every American, gay, straight, of whatever race, religion, culture, ethnicity, age, etc. was subject to exactly the same rules and regulation as every other American in every state in the union. THAT is what equality looks like. And, until some courts and some governments started dickering with it, the definition of marriage in every culture in every place on Earth for many millenia now has been a recognized legal union between a man and a woman.

    If gays pushing to change the marriage laws were interested only in equality, then they would have gotten squarely behind those of us who have been pushing for a new institution called civil union or whatever that would provide protections and benefits to ALL Americans, gay, straight, etc. who for whatever reason cannot or do not wish to marry under existing laws. And that also would be what equality would look like.

    Marriage is a contract between two people, from which some people can be excluded b/c of gender. Two people can marry, unless their gender is the same. It's so silly. Actually, silly diminishes the wrong done. It's most definitely a civil rights and equality issue. Nobody is changing the definition, it's not a new contract being defined, it's simply eliminating exclusion b/c it's two people of the same gender rather than two people of different genders.

    It's still a simple, straight-up, two-party contract.
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    Re: The Face of Gay Marriage? Video clip from Maine newscast

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    No, gay marriage is about changing the definition of marriage. It wasn't always that way, but for some decades now, at least until a few courts/legislatures started dickering with them, the marriage laws in every state were 100% equal for everybody. Every American, gay, straight, of whatever race, religion, culture, ethnicity, age, etc. was subject to exactly the same rules and regulation as every other American in every state in the union. THAT is what equality looks like. And, until some courts and some governments started dickering with it, the definition of marriage in every culture in every place on Earth for many millenia now has been a recognized legal union between a man and a woman.

    If gays pushing to change the marriage laws were interested only in equality, then they would have gotten squarely behind those of us who have been pushing for a new institution called civil union or whatever that would provide protections and benefits to ALL Americans, gay, straight, etc. who for whatever reason cannot or do not wish to marry under existing laws. And that also would be what equality would look like.
    a civil union isn't a new institution, it's simply a new name for "marriage" outside a church. any marriage outside a church is a civil union, no more, no less.

    so, gays should be allowed to civilly marry. get a license, go to a jp (lol.....hopefully) and marry.

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    Re: The Face of Gay Marriage? Video clip from Maine newscast

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    No, gay marriage is about changing the definition of marriage. It wasn't always that way, but for some decades now, at least until a few courts/legislatures started dickering with them, the marriage laws in every state were 100% equal for everybody. Every American, gay, straight, of whatever race, religion, culture, ethnicity, age, etc. was subject to exactly the same rules and regulation as every other American in every state in the union. THAT is what equality looks like. And, until some courts and some governments started dickering with it, the definition of marriage in every culture in every place on Earth for many millenia now has been a recognized legal union between a man and a woman.

    If gays pushing to change the marriage laws were interested only in equality, then they would have gotten squarely behind those of us who have been pushing for a new institution called civil union or whatever that would provide protections and benefits to ALL Americans, gay, straight, etc. who for whatever reason cannot or do not wish to marry under existing laws. And that also would be what equality would look like.
    You seem badly confused on alot of things, but I am only going to talk about one. When the law is such that it is the same for all, but really only effects one group, then it is not equal. Sometimes there is a good reason for this, but not in this case. There is no harm from allowing gays to marry, no reason to protect society from gays being married, and as such, there is no logical reason not to allow gays to marriage. Hell, gays can hardly do worse at it than strait people do.
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    Re: The Face of Gay Marriage? Video clip from Maine newscast

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    That is a totally false statement. Totally false.
    See, we can find something we agree on!
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    Re: The Face of Gay Marriage? Video clip from Maine newscast

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    yes, gay marriage is about equality.
    Gay marriage was never about equality, and CA proves it.

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    Re: The Face of Gay Marriage? Video clip from Maine newscast

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Gay marriage was never about equality, and CA proves it.
    OK, I'll bite. How, pray tell, does CA prove gay marriage is not about equality?

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    Re: The Face of Gay Marriage? Video clip from Maine newscast

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Gay marriage was never about equality, and CA proves it.
    how so? heterosexuals can marry, homosexuals cannot. not equal. simple as that.

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    Re: The Face of Gay Marriage? Video clip from Maine newscast

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    See, we can find something we agree on!
    LOL, it's hard not to agree on fact. It's not a philosophical debate that puts her false statement to rest. It's historical record. And you can't really argue with the facts behind that.

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    Re: The Face of Gay Marriage? Video clip from Maine newscast

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    OK, I'll bite. How, pray tell, does CA prove gay marriage is not about equality?
    Gays in CA have each and every single civil right as heteros under Domestic Partnership. That's equality under the law.

    Seeking the word "marriage" is not about legal equality, it's about social acceptance. I would give the pro-gm movement a lot more respect if they would at least admit that so we could have an honest discussion from there.

    Just as women's right to vote was not about equality until the 19th amendment, neither is gay-marriage.

    Maybe we should make gay-marriage, but today the cut-n-dry matter of fact is it's not a civil rights issue and it's not about equality.

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    Re: The Face of Gay Marriage? Video clip from Maine newscast

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    how so? heterosexuals can marry, homosexuals cannot. not equal. simple as that.
    Homosexuals can marry anyone of the opposite sex just like everyone else.

    Equality achieved.

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