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    Re: Senators to strip health insurers

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    I first heard about the anti-trust exemption from Dylan Ratigan formerly of CNBC, now on MSNBC. I couldn't believe it. Good. There *must* be competition injected into this industry, no matter how much they scream.
    If that had been repealed …say fifty years ago, or whatever, maybe we wouldn’t be in the mess that we are in now, plus we might have a few more American citizens alive paying taxes today.
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    Re: Senators to strip health insurers

    My issue with this is much like my issue with the Massachuest legislature voting to change special elections rules.

    I don't believe this is being done with the best interests of the public in mind, or becaus its a "good idea", but instead is being done for purely political reasons. And because of that I'm leery of what's actually going to be the fallout of it beyond the potential bonus's people are imagining will occur due to it, in theory, being a good idea in a vacuum

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    Re: Senators to strip health insurers

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    I first heard about the anti-trust exemption from Dylan Ratigan formerly of CNBC, now on MSNBC. I couldn't believe it. Good. There *must* be competition injected into this industry, no matter how much they scream.
    What cracks me up the most are all the people who scream about free markets, and then scream about how insurance companies need an exemption from free markets. LOL.

    To Zyphlin: About the political aspect of this - You are 100% right on that. The Democrats are not doing this to restore a free market at all. They are doing it to score political points.
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    Re: Senators to strip health insurers

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    What cracks me up the most are all the people who scream about free markets, and then scream about how insurance companies need an exemption from free markets. LOL.

    To Zyphlin: About the political aspect of this - You are 100% right on that. The Democrats are not doing this to restore a free market at all. They are doing it to score political points.
    Insurance companies aren't allowed to operate within the free market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    To Zyphlin: About the political aspect of this - You are 100% right on that. The Democrats are not doing this to restore a free market at all. They are doing it to score political points.
    Yeah, I think of it this way...

    Say you're a manager, and you have an employee that has done some things to warrant being fired. Nothing that's over the top, automatic, lets pink slip the guy but enough for it not to be questionable. However, you don't fire him and he keeps working.

    Then him, and a few other employee's that are a bit lower position than him, start to bring issues with your management to light, complaining about it and preparing things to take to your superiors. At that point you step in and fire the guy.

    Now, was the firing in and of itself a bad thing? Not necessarily, since we previously stated he did do things to definitely justify it as a good thing to do. The problem is it doesn't seem now that you're firing him because he did wrong, it seems you're firing him because he's posing a problem to you and you want to make sure all those people that may be influenced by him see just what could happen to them too because its not really hard to tell for sure if it was done for the legit reasons or for the ulterior reasons.

    That's the situation here, and the bad message it sends. Not that "Oh hey, the government is going to clean things up so that the free market can function in our capitalist society" but instead "If you step out of line with what the government is saying and wants then the things we've previously allowed you, and continue to allow others, are going to be taken away as punishment".

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    Re: Senators to strip health insurers

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    My issue with this is much like my issue with the Massachuest legislature voting to change special elections rules.

    I don't believe this is being done with the best interests of the public in mind, or becaus its a "good idea", but instead is being done for purely political reasons. And because of that I'm leery of what's actually going to be the fallout of it beyond the potential bonus's people are imagining will occur due to it, in theory, being a good idea in a vacuum
    Myself I really don’t give a damn why it is being done, just geterdone. If it’s for political reasons so be it, sometimes-good things happen when things get put in for “political reasons”.

    Whoever put that in might look back in a couple of years and see unintended consequences, the rest of the country might see insurance competition.
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    Re: Senators to strip health insurers

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Myself I really don’t give a damn why it is being done, just geterdone. If it’s for political reasons so be it, sometimes-good things happen when things get put in for “political reasons”.

    Whoever put that in might look back in a couple of years and see unintended consequences, the rest of the country might see insurance competition.
    Yeah, now insurance companies can get screwed over by the government, under the monopoly laws, in an environment where government regulation only allows so many insurance companies to opertate in a particular state, at a time. Oh yeah, that makes all the sense in the world!
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    Re: Senators to strip health insurers

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Because of the reasons people already said, also something to do with leveraging against doctors who had too much strength against insurers. Some complex, but tedious, good reasons, but they in no way justify it imo.

    I did the trust-busting

    I meant to say 'dig' the trust-busting!

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    Re: Senators to strip health insurers

    Was wondering about that. LOL

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    Re: Senators to strip health insurers

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah, now insurance companies can get screwed over by the government, under the monopoly laws, in an environment where government regulation only allows so many insurance companies to opertate in a particular state, at a time. Oh yeah, that makes all the sense in the world!

    You mean competition like this?


    <In at least 21 states, one carrier controls more than half the market. More than half of the market is controlled by two carriers in at least 39 states. In 2007, a survey conducted by the American Medical Association found that in more than 95 percent of insurance markets, a single commercial carrier controlled at least 30 percent of the insurance market>

    Interactive Map: Health Care Competition
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