Page 5 of 6 FirstFirst ... 3456 LastLast
Results 41 to 50 of 57

Thread: Study: Obama foes aren't race-driven

  1. #41
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Last Seen
    01-03-16 @ 02:05 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    12,761

    Re: Study: Obama foes aren't race-driven

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So we cannot trust anything, so how do we know anything?
    No, not quite... just accept that it's truth mixed with spin. The reporters know the questions that they can ask, or not to ask, etc... and then their bosses will double check that before writing it to the newspaper or the newscasters teleprompter.

    The majority of people read the headline and the first paragraph and then move on to the next article, then a smaller group reads the headline and a few paragraphs, and only a small percentage will read an article to the end.

    So, what you'll often see is that in the first paragraph will be one message that gets contradicted in the final paragraph... what are you supposed to trust?? The message aimed at the majority that don't really read... or the message aimed at the minority??

    So, the point is that you need a level of discernment when reading from mainstream sources... as well as non mainstream sourcesbut for different reasons...

  2. #42
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Last Seen
    01-03-16 @ 02:05 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    12,761

    Re: Study: Obama foes aren't race-driven

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    I think you're doing what I was talking about with the erecting of a strawman. I'm not saying most opposition to his policies is racism. Not at all. I clarify that basically every post I make on the topic, the last three Democrat presidents, the speaker of the house and the senate majority leader have all said that now. Opposition to his policies is welcome and appropriate, absolutely.

    But, that's not really what I'm talking about. In addition to all the legitimate opposition to his policies, there is also racially motivated opposition to him. Just because a racist opposes something doesn't mean the other people that oppose it are racist, but it also doesn't mean we should tolerate the guy that is racist.
    Well, most racism is not of the callibre of 'joining the white-supremacists'... it's typically more a 'preferntial' issue... where let's say in hiring policy, they might cut some people more slack then others... more like you're more likely to pick up something after a hot girl then an ugly girl... it's a preferential and uncontrollable reaction.

    Now, we can shun the people that demonstrate racial bias in their hiring practises, oddly enough I've been involved in such a claim against such a person... but it wasn't racist against a black person... In honesty, in my line of work at least, the majority of the decision in hiring is based on your performance and not your appearance.

    Most your responses are 'not all opposition is racist and it shouldn't be considered racist'. I totally agree with you on that. As does everybody.
    All I'm saying is that given the time I could show you no less then 5 mainstream newscasts where there were innappropriate racial associations to the opponents of various issues... The only place that might have SOME legitimacy is with the birther issue... McCain being a white guy would have probably suffered less scrutiny from the birther issue... being born in panama and all (I know, at a millitary base). Though, I am confused as to the secrecy of the president in showing the document that would shut everyone up conclusively.

    I totally agree. That's what I'm asking for- more shunning from Republican leaders.
    Yes, you might agree... but there are people that are taking your views as a means of implementing legislation.


    LOL. No, that one actually cracked me up for like a day when I first saw it. I don't agree with the sentiment, but that was a brilliant sign.
    It may be that you aren't aware to the degree this is being done... I wouldn't be surprised if I could find 10-15 examples spread over various newscasts from various sources.

    Here is where the disconnect happens. Above you acknowledged that racism, even at the 10% level, is terrible. But when the context is whether Republican leaders should denounce it, you say it's a non-issue.
    Well, because their actions are scrutinized, and noone had any issue with making the guy president... hell about 80% of people approuved of him wanting to give him a chance to prove himself. So out of the 20% that did not approuve you'd have a mix of republicans, independants, and yes, some people unhappy that we have a brown president.

    Obama's approuval rating is at or below the 50% level based on the studies I've come across... 30 % of people don't become racist, they hate him on the issues... so pointing to race AS an issue is taking away from legitimate debate on those issues.

    I really believe this is an issue of defensiveness on the right. When somebody on the left says "hey, this one thing somebody on the right said is racist" it seems like the folks on the right are hearing "hey, everybody on the right is racist" and they get all defensive. That is not what we're saying by a long shot. Lots of folks on the right are clinging on to some off the cuff remarks people like Garafalo make and whatnot as though that's the position of the entire left. It isn't. We know most of you aren't racist and we know most opposition to Obama isn't racist. But, we also know, as you do, that SOME folks on the right are racist and SOME opposition to Obama is racist. That's what we want dealt with. We're not looking for some kind of confession that the right are all racists. We don't even think that. I wouldn't make any sense. And we're definitely not looking to silence opposition to policy. What we're looking for is just for the Republican leaders to resume denouncing white supremacy. Period. It really isn't a big request given that they don't like white supremacy either.
    Now, that is a sensible viewpoint... I can't disagree with that much.

    I do have to make a couple of notes :
    - although the media mouthpieces do not represent the views of the left, in a sense they speak for them (or against them, whichever)... like it or not, these people do their best to frame the debate in such a way that no answers are ever found.
    - Ron Paul said it best, referring to the white supremacist supporter shill, "just because he supports my views doesn't mean I support his views"
    - The statements are not as 'off the cuff' as you might think... they all read their teleprompters real well, it's a very delliberate tactic to frame the debate for the majority of people... now, we can seperately debate the level of influence the media has on the minds of the masses, but you don't need to look much further then the trends on this very forum... on any given day that a story runs, you can almost tell which newscast the person watch based on the opinions they express.

  3. #43
    Educating the Ignorant
    zimmer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Last Seen
    Today @ 11:49 AM
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    14,450
    Blog Entries
    12

    Re: Study: Obama foes aren't race-driven

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Well, first of all, I am an indepedent. A liberal neocon by my description. The Republicans is not *my* party.

    I am not convinced that the Democrats booted out all the racists.
    LOL... The Democrat party is the race-driven party. It is standard sleazy-dealing from the bottom of the deck. Just look at how the race card has been escalated during the last Democrat Primary. That was flat out a race-baiting blood bath. Obama and Clinton were covered in it.

    Ask Bill Clinton about race baiting, or Geraldine Ferraro... from the machine of the Great Uniter, Taxer, Spender and Wimp.

    Affirmative action is racist.
    And if an R dare mention its end, what happens? He's pegged as a racist.

    This is not to say that there are not a lot of racists in the Republican camp.
    Republicans with race problems have very short careers.
    Can that also be said of Democrats? No.
    They get to be Senate Leaders and national figures. Their organizations peddling this crap become nationally known: PUSH, Rainbow, ACORN.

    A much larger issue is the "covert"/passive racists.
    LOL...

    I agree that a GOP that was adamant about being anti-racist would be a good thing. Perhaps they could oppose welfare on racists grounds...
    Ours is not the party of skin color, or the race card.
    Are you blind? Who has been throwing the race bombs?

    Welfare provides no mechanism for improvement, so once you are on welfare you are likely to stay. A high percentage of those on welfare are black.
    Why not call it modern enslavement?
    The State Plantation.
    Decades of The Man making sure the Brothers and Sisters are dependent on The System and remain in The State Plantations (Ghetto's).

    Why don't Democrats call for and put an end to it (LOL...)... because it is obvious... it keeps people down, dependent and like Hamas and The Hezbo's... they get to blame their adversary for their problems their leaders have created? I say leaders because as a bloc, their followers vote D to the tune of 90+%.

    .
    Last edited by zimmer; 10-19-09 at 06:26 AM.
    The Clintons are what happens...
    when you have NO MORAL COMPASS.

  4. #44
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Last Seen
    07-23-12 @ 03:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Private
    Posts
    6,763
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Study: Obama foes aren't race-driven

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Republicans with race problems have very short careers.
    I am glad you enjoyed what I wrote!

    Here I was talking about the members of the party, not the politicians. Same for talking about the Dems, not the pols.

  5. #45
    Guru
    F107HyperSabr's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Connecticut
    Last Seen
    10-21-10 @ 09:31 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    2,617

    Re: Study: Obama foes aren't race-driven

    Quote Originally Posted by content_curmudgeon View Post
    And what sort of punishments do you suggest for these naughty liberals?
    Well maybe we need to place all of these "naughty liberals" in concentration camps after the OATH KEEPERS strip them of their Bill of Rights.


    YES, YES punish those infidels for they are not true Americans !! Some of them propbably were not even born here.
    Last edited by F107HyperSabr; 10-19-09 at 11:29 PM.
    “I do not recall the Viet Cong asking me if I was a natural born or Naturalized American before they shot at me, they just shot at all of us “ f107HyperSabr

  6. #46
    Guru
    F107HyperSabr's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Connecticut
    Last Seen
    10-21-10 @ 09:31 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    2,617

    Re: Study: Obama foes aren't race-driven

    Quote Originally Posted by StandUpChuck View Post
    How does Garbage Wilson calling the president a liar make his concerns racist? You guys keep bringing race into this, when it really is no more of a factor than people not liking George Bush because of his accent. IOW, there are really reasons to oppose either man.
    "Garbage Wilson" is that a nickname ?
    “I do not recall the Viet Cong asking me if I was a natural born or Naturalized American before they shot at me, they just shot at all of us “ f107HyperSabr

  7. #47
    Guru
    F107HyperSabr's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Connecticut
    Last Seen
    10-21-10 @ 09:31 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    2,617

    Re: Study: Obama foes aren't race-driven

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Why are you saying that racism is isolated solely on the Republican side of the house? The Republican party was the party that freed the slaves and intituted the Civil Rights Act. There is an inherent soft racism in welfare policy, a darling of the Democratic party.
    Let us not lie and revise history. The Republical party did not initiate civil rights. They joined in to help pas civil rights but inititiate it . Give us a break !!
    “I do not recall the Viet Cong asking me if I was a natural born or Naturalized American before they shot at me, they just shot at all of us “ f107HyperSabr

  8. #48
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Last Seen
    07-23-12 @ 03:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Private
    Posts
    6,763
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Study: Obama foes aren't race-driven

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    Let us not lie and revise history. The Republical party did not initiate civil rights. They joined in to help pas civil rights but inititiate it . Give us a break !!
    True enough. I mispoke. Keep me honest!

  9. #49
    Student LowRevs's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Downeast in NC
    Last Seen
    07-12-12 @ 04:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    272

    Re: Study: Obama foes aren't race-driven

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    Let us not lie and revise history. The Republical party did not initiate civil rights. They joined in to help pas civil rights but inititiate it . Give us a break !!
    I'm sorry for such an unfounded avalance of tidbits but I came across this on another forum and it seems appropo.

    • Democrats fought to expand slavery while Republicans fought to end it.
    • Democrats passed those discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws.
    • Democrats fought against anti-lynching laws.
    • Democrats fought to keep blacks in slavery and away from the polls, and they started the Ku Klux Klan to terrorize them.
    • Democrat Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, is well known for having been a "Keagle" in the Ku Klux Klan.
    • Democrat Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, personally filibustered the Civil Rights Act of 1964 for 14 straight hours to keep it from passage.
    • Democrats passed the Repeal Act of 1894 that overturned civil right laws enacted by Republicans.
    • Democrats declared that they would rather vote for a “yellow dog” than vote for a Republican, because the Republican Party was known as the party for blacks.
    • Democrat President Woodrow Wilson, reintroduced segregation throughout the federal government immediately upon taking office in 1913.
    • Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt's first appointment to the Supreme Court was a life member of the Ku Klux Klan, Sen. Hugo Black, Democrat of Alabama.
    • Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt's choice for vice president in 1944 was Harry Truman, who had joined the Ku Klux Klan in Kansas City in 1922.
    • Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt resisted Republican efforts to pass a federal law against lynching.
    • Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt opposed integration of the armed forces.
    • Democrat Senators Sam Ervin, Albert Gore, Sr.(father of Al Gore Jr.) and Robert Byrd were the chief opponents of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
    • Democrat public safety commissioner Eugene "Bull" Connor, in Birmingham, Ala., unleashed vicious dogs and turned fire hoses on black civil rights demonstrators.
    • Democrats were who Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and the other protestors were fighting.
    • Democrat Georgia Governor Lester Maddox "brandished an ax hammer to prevent blacks from patronizing his restaurant.
    • Democrat Governor George Wallace stood in front of the Alabama schoolhouse in 1963, declaring there would be segregation forever.
    • Democrat Arkansas Governor Faubus tried to prevent desegregation of Little Rock public schools.
    • Democrat Senator John F. Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil rights Act.
    • Democrat President John F. Kennedy opposed the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. King.
    • Democrat President John F. Kennedy, had Dr. King wiretapped and investigated by the FBI.
    • Democrat President Bill Clinton's mentor was U.S. Senator J. William Fulbright, an Arkansas Democrat and a supporter of racial segregation.
    • Democrat President Bill Clinton interned for J. William Fulbright in 1966-67.
    • Democrat Senator J. William Fulbright signed the Southern Manifesto opposing the Supreme Court's 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education decision.
    • Democrat Senator J. William Fulbright joined with the Dixiecrats in filibustering the Civil Rights Acts of 1957 and 1964.
    • Democrat Senator J. William Fulbright voted against the 1965 Voting Rights Act.
    • Republicans enacted civil rights laws in the 1950’s and 1960’s, over the objection of Democrats.
    • Republicans founded the HCBU’s and started the NAACP to counter the racist practices of the Democrats.
    • Republicans pushed through much of the ground-breaking civil rights legislation in Congress.
    • Republicans fought slavery and amended the Constitution to grant blacks freedom, citizenship and the right to vote.
    • Republicans pushed through much of the groundbreaking civil rights legislation from the 1860s through the 1960s.
    • Republican President Dwight Eisenhower sent troops into the South to desegregate the schools.
    • Republican President Dwight Eisenhower appointed Chief Justice Earl Warren to the Supreme Court, which resulted in the 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education decision.
    • Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois, not Democrat President Lyndon Johnson, was the one who pushed through the civil rights laws of the 1960’s.
    • Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois wrote the language for the 1965 Voting Rights Act.
    • Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois also crafted the language for the Civil Rights Act of 1968 which prohibited discrimination in housing.
    • The 1963 March on Washington by Dr. King was organized by A. Phillip Randolph who was a black Republican.
    • Dr. Martin Luther King was a Republican.
    I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.--Thomas Jefferson

  10. #50
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Last Seen
    07-23-12 @ 03:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Private
    Posts
    6,763
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Study: Obama foes aren't race-driven

    Quote Originally Posted by LowRevs View Post
    I'm sorry for such an unfounded avalance of tidbits but I came across this on another forum and it seems appropo.
    Those are all very interesting. But strictly speaking he was correct.

    The bill was introduced by President John F. Kennedy in his civil rights speech of June 11, 1963,[1] in which he asked for legislation "giving all Americans the right to be served in facilities which are open to the public—hotels, restaurants, theaters, retail stores, and similar establishments," as well as "greater protection for the right to vote."
    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964]Civil Rights Act of 1964 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

Page 5 of 6 FirstFirst ... 3456 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •