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    Re: Obama constitutionally barred from accepting Nobel Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Damn what does the President do on Christmas day?
    He is sad, because the meaning of his birthday has been replaced by capitalism.

    +10 for messiah joke
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    Re: Obama constitutionally barred from accepting Nobel Peace Prize

    Yes he can receive it. You see, because of his birth in Kenya he's not really a US natural born citizen. As such, he can't really be president. Ergo, he can receive the Nobel.

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    Re: Obama constitutionally barred from accepting Nobel Peace Prize

    Great, now the birthers can sue the charities that President Obama gives the prize money to.

    Go Far Right!!


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    Re: Obama constitutionally barred from accepting Nobel Peace Prize

    A currently serving President apparently needs Congressional approval to accept.

    Nor is it just the Constitution that requires Congressional approval.


    United States Constitution
    Article One, Section 9

    No title of nobility shall be granted by the United States: and no person holding any office of profit or trust under them, shall, without the consent of the Congress, accept of any present, emolument, office, or title, of any kind whatever, from any king, prince, or foreign state.
    Constitution of the United States of America - Wikisource
    Nobel Peace Prize
    ...
    Nomination and selection

    The Norwegian Parliament appoints the Norwegian Nobel Committee, which selects the laureate for the Peace Prize.
    Nobel Peace Prize - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    U.S. Code Title 5,
    Part III, Subpart F, Chapter 73, Subchapter IV,


    § 7342. Receipt and disposition of foreign gifts and decorations
    (a) For the purpose of this section—
    (2) “foreign government” means—
    (A) any unit of foreign governmental authority, including any foreign national, State, local, and municipal government;
    (B) any international or multinational organization whose membership is composed of any unit of foreign government described in subparagraph (A); and
    (C) any agent or representative of any such unit or such organization, while acting as such;
    (3) “gift” means a tangible or intangible present (other than a decoration) tendered by, or received from, a foreign government;
    (4) “decoration” means an order, device, medal, badge, insignia, emblem, or award tendered by, or received from, a foreign government;
    ...
    (b) An employee may not—
    (1) request or otherwise encourage the tender of a gift or decoration; or
    (2) accept a gift or decoration, other than in accordance with the provisions of subsections (c) and (d).
    (c)
    (1) The Congress consents to—
    (A) the accepting and retaining by an employee of a gift of minimal value tendered and received as a souvenir or mark of courtesy; and
    (B) the accepting by an employee of a gift of more than minimal value when such gift is in the nature of an educational scholarship or medical treatment or when it appears that to refuse the gift would likely cause offense or embarrassment or otherwise adversely affect the foreign relations of the United States, except that—
    (i) a tangible gift of more than minimal value is deemed to have been accepted on behalf of the United States and, upon acceptance, shall become the property of the United States; and
    (ii) an employee may accept gifts of travel or expenses for travel taking place entirely outside the United States (such as transportation, food, and lodging) of more than minimal value if such acceptance is appropriate, consistent with the interests of the United States, and permitted by the employing agency and any regulations which may be prescribed by the employing agency.
    (d) The Congress consents to the accepting, retaining, and wearing by an employee of a decoration tendered in recognition of active field service in time of combat operations or awarded for other outstanding or unusually meritorious performance, subject to the approval of the employing agency of such employee. Without this approval, the decoration is deemed to have been accepted on behalf of the United States, shall become the property of the United States, and shall be deposited by the employee, within sixty days of acceptance, with the employing agency for official use, for forwarding to the Administrator of General Services for disposal in accordance with subsection (e)(1), or for disposal in accordance with subsection (e)(2).
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    (i) The President shall direct all Chiefs of a United States Diplomatic Mission to inform their host governments that it is a general policy of the United States Government to prohibit United States Government employees from receiving gifts or decorations of more than minimal value.
    US CODE: Title 5,7342. Receipt and disposition of foreign gifts and decorations

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    Re: Obama constitutionally barred from accepting Nobel Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    He is sad, because the meaning of his birthday has been replaced by capitalism.

    +10 for messiah joke
    Hey, good one!

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    Re: Obama constitutionally barred from accepting Nobel Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Damn what does the President do on Christmas day?
    What do you mean?!

    With Obama, every day is Christmas day!

    At least until Congress changes the name to Obamamas day!
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    Re: Obama constitutionally barred from accepting Nobel Peace Prize

    My understanding of the Nobel prize is that it consists of two parts:

    1) A trinket which is admittedly an excellent conversation piece

    2) A bucket of money

    Obama has already said he's giving away the bucket of money.

    Unless someone can actually demonstrate that the prize in and of itself is intrinsically worth something (beyond what some loopy-ass collector or eBay nut would pay for it), this is neither illegal nor unConstitutional.

    As for Czars, STFU and write your Congresscritters. They're the ones who keep empowering the President to appoint people to "extraConstitutional" positions of authority.

    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Obama constitutionally barred from accepting Nobel Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by links136 View Post
    People can, and undoubtedly will, argue for some time about whether President Obama deserves the Nobel Peace Prize. Meanwhile, though, there's a simpler and more immediate question: Does the Constitution allow him to accept the award?

    Article I, Section 9, of the Constitution, the emolument clause, clearly stipulates: "And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince or foreign State."


    washingtonpost.com

    happy?
    yet the inNobel prize is not from a STATE it is from a "committee" the Nobel Committee!! Yes the committee is apppointed by a bunch of foreigners !! This one could be argued either way. So if the Obamer wants to get this monkey prize off his back he can have his constitutional law advisor interpret the InNobel committee as a unit of or a agent of a foreign government and theebt ecline the prize.

    That would be the start thing to do after doing the dumb thing and saying thanks I'll take it !!
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    Re: Obama constitutionally barred from accepting Nobel Peace Prize

    To give it away he must first receive it.. ergo...

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    Re: Obama constitutionally barred from accepting Nobel Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    yet the inNobel prize is not from a STATE it is from a "committee" the Nobel Committee!! Yes the committee is apppointed by a bunch of foreigners !! This one could be argued either way.
    Not if the argument wants to hold water, or the person making the argument doesn't mind looking foolish.
    U.S. Code Title 5,
    Part III, Subpart F, Chapter 73, Subchapter IV,


    § 7342. Receipt and disposition of foreign gifts and decorations(a) For the purpose of this section—
    (2) “foreign government” means—
    (A) any unit of foreign governmental authority, including any foreign national, State, local, and municipal government;
    (B) any international or multinational organization whose membership is composed of any unit of foreign government described in subparagraph (A); and
    (C) any agent or representative of any such unit or such organization, while acting as such;
    "The Norwegian Parliament appoints the Norwegian Nobel Committee", seems to qualify.

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