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    Re: Obama's Complicity in Torturing an Innocent Man

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Crunch, I will be gentle. You just proved that what you said was wrong, and what I said was right. Obama promised to put bills online before he signed them ... not before the legislature voted on them (Executive and Legislative branches are separate, co-equal branches, Obama does not control the Legislative branch). And, Obama did not make any campaign promise to abolish earmarks, McCain did.
    I suppose less then ten days is long enough to see a bill before Obama signs it, if he waits that long, right?
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    Re: Obama's Complicity in Torturing an Innocent Man

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I suppose less then ten days is long enough to see a bill before Obama signs it, if he waits that long, right?
    When has he ever done that?.... did I miss it?

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    Re: Obama's Complicity in Torturing an Innocent Man

    You hear that gentle sound in the night? Sounds like the slow approachings of the Nobel repo-man.
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    Re: Obama's Complicity in Torturing an Innocent Man

    Quote Originally Posted by ConservaBill View Post
    Next time take a few minutes and Google the person you plan to vote for... If he (or she) happens to have written, not one, but two books on marxist, social-justice, revolution then you MIGHT not want to vote for him!

    I'm embarrassed for you too!
    You should also educate yourself on terms like "Marxist" before you apply them to people who do not fit the description.
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    Re: Obama's Complicity in Torturing an Innocent Man

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Well, Senator McCain is absolutely right that the earmarks process has been abused, which is why I suspended any requests for my home state, whether it was for senior centers or what have you, until we cleaned it up... But let's go back to the original point. John, nobody is denying that $18 billion is important. And, absolutely, we need earmark reform. And when I'm president, I will go line by line to make sure that we are not spending money unwisely."


    Yea, thx for the legwork on the quote proving Obama never said he'd abolish earmarks.


    I think some McCainiacs are very sad ... and they've transferred McCain promises to Obama. It's sweet.


    PS ~ what he did promise is actually kind of interesting, and more involved than your quote. You should check it out. I'll let ya do the google on that too.
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    Re: Obama's Complicity in Torturing an Innocent Man

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I suppose less then ten days is long enough to see a bill before Obama signs it, if he waits that long, right?

    Mmmm ... hmmmmm.... especially since the promise to be kept is 5 days; which, btw, was an improvement over the past. If you want to hold the Prez accountable for his promises, it'd be good to a.) make sure it's accurate, and b.) make sure it's not a McCain campaign promise.

    Just for starters.

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    Re: Obama's Complicity in Torturing an Innocent Man

    Master word smith in action.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeJ9gE-FA0Q"]YouTube - Obama on Earmarks and Pork-Barrel Spending[/ame]
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    Re: Obama's Complicity in Torturing an Innocent Man

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Barack Obama means change – except on torture | Andrew Sullivan - Times Online



    This is NOT the change I voted for. I am profoundly disappointed on a level I find hard to articulate.
    No, sorry... I hate to break it to you, but you're just being racist. (Sarcasm)

    Really though, did you HONESTLY expect Obama to end the wars, stop the torture, and bring back some level of sanity to our country??

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    Re: Obama's Complicity in Torturing an Innocent Man

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Barack Obama means change – except on torture | Andrew Sullivan - Times Online



    This is NOT the change I voted for. I am profoundly disappointed on a level I find hard to articulate.
    well don't feel too bad, look at all the others, not only in this country, but all around the globe who are still falling for him

    We did try to warn you though

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    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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    Re: Obama's Complicity in Torturing an Innocent Man

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    God you are dense, or too partisan to see your hand in front of your face.... read the links again.

    Obama promised to go line by line on ear marks.... he promised to post bills online before he signed them... he promised to have the most transparent administration ever.

    Show me where he has kept one of those promises...
    On earmarks, there is no way Obama could deliver that, even though he promised to "support it", which is much different than promising to implement it. It would mean a line item veto, which the Supreme Court ruled unconstitutional when Clinton tried to do it.

    On Obama's broken promises to end torture, I agree with you on that. Those who bashed Bush over torture are strangely quiet now, and that really pisses me off. You know, instead of screaming about birther conspiracies, this issue is something with teeth, if only they would use it instead of the silly stuff.
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