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    Re: Dems: GOP rooting against America

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    No...REv....that's the big difference.

    Despite my views on GWB and the Iraq war in particular. I NEVER hoped that we wouldn't succeed.
    I would rather America succeed even if it means my particular political views take a backseat.

    Here's the difference in your example:

    If people were against the Olympics for reasons such as economic or environmental. Fine. I can respect that.

    But the vast majority of people who have been cheering were not against the Olympics in Chicago for any reason other than to cheer an Obama failure....even when it means America's failure.
    I think you are mistaken. They want Obama to fail but not the US. It would be much like a man that had a difficult time feeding his kids so he decides to rob a bank. While you may wish him not to be sucessful robbing the bank, this does not mean you hope that his kids will starve.

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    Re: Dems: GOP rooting against America

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    I think you are mistaken. They want Obama to fail but not the US.
    Exactly - said position is based on the premise that 'success' for The Obama - that is, policy-wise, Him being able to do what He wants to do - means that the US will be in -worse- shape than if we do nothing.

    Cheering The Obama's policy failures is cheering FOR the success of the US.

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    Re: Dems: GOP rooting against America

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Exactly - said position is based on the premise that 'success' for The Obama - that is, policy-wise, Him being able to do what He wants to do - means that the US will be in -worse- shape than if we do nothing.

    Cheering The Obama's policy failures is cheering FOR the success of the US.
    Rationalizing as only Goobie can.
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    Re: Dems: GOP rooting against America

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Rationalizing as only Goobie can.
    So much for you makling honesty a habit.

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    Re: Dems: GOP rooting against America

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    No...REv....that's the big difference.

    Despite my views on GWB and the Iraq war in particular. I NEVER hoped that we wouldn't succeed.
    I would rather America succeed even if it means my particular political views take a backseat.

    Here's the difference in your example:

    If people were against the Olympics for reasons such as economic or environmental. Fine. I can respect that.

    But the vast majority of people who have been cheering were not against the Olympics in Chicago for any reason other than to cheer an Obama failure....even when it means America's failure.




    I wasn't for or against it either way actually, I simply laughed when the messiah failed miserably....


    I stopped laughing though rather quickly when the news we lost more in a-stan came along, and Obama was still fiddling.
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    Re: Dems: GOP rooting against America

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Hopining Obama fails does not equal America failing.


    Putting the olympics over the troops in A-stan?


    That's "hoping America fails"


    Obama is not "America"
    Here's where I have to disagree with you.

    Which President was it who took his eye off of the War on Terror and focused on the War in Iraq? Granted, I can't say with a high degree of certainty whether or not any international trip GWB took wasn't directly related to national security or foreign policy matters, but I really can't see how folks on the right can't see lobbying for the 2016 Summer Olympics wasn't in this country's best interest economically. Think of the tourist dollars that could have come from it? Beijing reportedly was estimated to make billions off the 2006 Olympics. How could anyone in their right mind not see the economic impact acquiring the Olypics wouldn't make? It's simply foolhearty to think otherwise.

    More links to how Beijing's economy swelled as a result of getting the 2006 Olympics:

    Estimated record revenue over the 1984 Los Angeles Olympics

    Hotel reservations estimated to draw billions to Beijing for 2006 Olympics
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    Re: Dems: GOP rooting against America

    Quote Originally Posted by ConservaBill View Post
    Like US socialists all are somewhat different, some based on dictatorships, and some on oligarchies, one even considered themselves a democracy (although IT is a Republic). Socialist is not a specific country or even a specific set of items you have to check off, nor is communism.. Marxism is however a little better definable. There is NO definition for democrat-socialist as it was SCRUBBED by Wiki-pedia just over the last couple weeks.... but I know it when I smell it!
    While I agree that there is no checklist, socialism and communism still have restrictive definitions. Socialism involves giving control of the means of production to the workers along with replacing capitalism while communism is when a classless society is reached and there is no longer any need for the state. It seems clear from a historical perspective that the coordinatorists who killed millions did not have any real intention of reaching socialism or communism. Furthermore, how does Pres. Obama fit into these definitions?

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    Re: Dems: GOP rooting against America

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I wasn't for or against it either way actually, I simply laughed when the messiah failed miserably....
    Is this necessary?

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    Re: Dems: GOP rooting against America

    Why would the Republicans cheer that an American city didn't get the Olympics in the first place?
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    Re: Dems: GOP rooting against America

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I wasn't for or against it either way actually, I simply laughed when the messiah failed miserably....


    I stopped laughing though rather quickly when the news we lost more in a-stan came along, and Obama was still fiddling.
    Rev:

    Were you as outraged at how many we lost in Iraq when GWB attended the Beijing Olympics?

    How many posts did you post about that?

    Link?
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