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    Re: Wingnuts Unite: Ron Paul Joins Michelle Bachmann in Weirdest Town Hall Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Actually, the Constitution, not watered down, works for me.
    Of course, then we can discuss exactly what powers are granted by the "general welfare" clause, or the militia clause of the second amendment... It's not all black and white, that's why we have a court
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    Re: Wingnuts Unite: Ron Paul Joins Michelle Bachmann in Weirdest Town Hall Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Probably because you don't live in Texas and have to put up with running gun battles between Mexican gangs every day. There was a drive by shooting just a few blocks from where I live 2 weeks ago, and I don't live in what is considered to be a bad area. 4 people were shot in that one.
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    Re: Wingnuts Unite: Ron Paul Joins Michelle Bachmann in Weirdest Town Hall Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Oh, I listened to what he had to say, then I decided he was a nut. Is that acceptable?
    You can think anything you want. I doubt highly that you objectively listened to him, but again it's a free country. I for one believe the Constitution is something to be followed by the government, but you're free to think otherwise. If it's a nut position to want proper government constrained by the Constitution, then so be it. But if it is as such, I would say we are in a sad and dangerous position.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Wingnuts Unite: Ron Paul Joins Michelle Bachmann in Weirdest Town Hall Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Of course, then we can discuss exactly what powers are granted by the "general welfare" clause, or the militia clause of the second amendment... It's not all black and white, that's why we have a court
    General welfare is a purpose of government, but the preamble doesn't lay out the powers. The powers are laid out in the separate sections. The militia clause of the second amendment is likewise. Because a well regulated militia is necessary for the prosperity of a free state, the right of the individual to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed upon. It's pretty clear.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Wingnuts Unite: Ron Paul Joins Michelle Bachmann in Weirdest Town Hall Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by ConservaBill View Post
    Yeah man... that weirdo Liberty... that's like soooo..... weird..... dude!!

    those flakey forefathers...that's like soooo..... weird..... dude!!

    and .. that Constitution...that's like soooo..... weird too..... dude!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yeah, I know. Obeying the Constitution and insistence on responsible government is certainly a "wingnut" position. Makes me worry about what's "standard".
    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    If you don't mind being thought of as a person who doesn't give a squirt of piss about the Constitution, I suppose it is acceptible.

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    Ron Paul was literally there as a founding father. Actually, scratch that, he was THE founding father. Like, Ron Paul went back in time and ****ted out Washington and Jefferson his very self and nursed them from his nipple of freedom. The constitution was dreamt up by him as he slept and he controled the continental congress like puppets to craft if in his image. If you dislike Ron Paul then you hate the constitution, america, and babies too since he was an OB/GYN.

    I swear, posts like the above full of smug, mindless, over the top superiority and utter jackassery are the reason I hated the movement despite voting for the man.

    Screw the r3volution, just give me Paul.

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    Re: Wingnuts Unite: Ron Paul Joins Michelle Bachmann in Weirdest Town Hall Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    It's all about perspective and time.

    2000 - Pat Buchanan was called a wingnut for demanding a fence on the US-Mexican border.

    Today - Gee, look what is being built. The idea of a fence is quite mainstream now.

    BTW - I voted for Buchanan in 2000.
    Pat Buchanan isn't called a nut because he wanted to build a fence. He was called a nut because he wanted to use his presidency to dictate what I do in my bedroom.

    I will use the bully pulpit of the Presidency of the United States, to the full extent of my power and ability, to defend American traditions and the values of faith, family, and country, from any and all directions. And, together, we will chase the purveyors of sex and violence back beneath the rocks whence they came.
    Because he doesn't like porn :

    The sort of squalid, grungy stuff that, not long ago, would have had the men who produced and distributed it sent to prison for years, after being denounced from the bench as perverts.
    Because of his position on abortion :

    I don’t care about the circumstances of a child’s conception... You want to execute somebody in the case of rape, execute the rapist and let the unborn child live.
    Because he's one of the people who thinks our schools should be Christian indoctrination centers :

    Today, in too many of our schools our children are being robbed of their innocence. Their minds are being poisoned against their Judeo-Christian heritage, against America's heroes and against American history, against the values of faith and family and country. Eternal truths that do not change from the Old and New Testament have been expelled from our public schools, and our children are being indoctrinated in moral relativism, and the propaganda of an anti-Western ideology.
    Because he's a closet racist :

    I'd like the country I grew up in. It was a good country. I lived in Washington, D.C., – 400,000 black folks, 400,000 white folks, in a country 89 or 90 percent white. I like that country.
    But I'm sure it's because he wanted to build a fence....
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    Re: Wingnuts Unite: Ron Paul Joins Michelle Bachmann in Weirdest Town Hall Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Ron Paul was literally there as a founding father. Actually, scratch that, he was THE founding father. Like, Ron Paul went back in time and ****ted out Washington and Jefferson his very self and nursed them from his nipple of freedom. The constitution was dreamt up by him as he slept and he controled the continental congress like puppets to craft if in his image. If you dislike Ron Paul then you hate the constitution, america, and babies too since he was an OB/GYN.
    It's almost like this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I swear, posts like the above full of smug, mindless, over the top superiority and utter jackassery are the reason I hated the movement despite voting for the man.
    can apply to the above.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Wingnuts Unite: Ron Paul Joins Michelle Bachmann in Weirdest Town Hall Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Would that the rest of Congress were as "nuts" as Ron Paul ...
    Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.
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    Re: Wingnuts Unite: Ron Paul Joins Michelle Bachmann in Weirdest Town Hall Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's almost like this:

    can apply to the above.
    Except for someone was being sarcastic in their point and intentionally being over exaggerated, where as others were legitimately expressing their belief that somehow the only reason someone could call Ron Paul a wingnut is if they think the Constitution is extreme.

    Its amazing how in general a tongue in cheek stated sentence is generally not actually revealing of "elitism" comparitive to ones that are said in all earnest. Unless you're seriously considering the notion that Ron Paul literally is a time traveler who can **** forth babies and nurse them with his breasts on equal seriousness level as sarcastically implying that only those who don't like the constitution or want a responsable government would consider Ron Paul a wingnut.

    This is the problem with the "r3volution". So many of them act like complete elitist jerks when it comes to Ron Paul issues.

    Red makes an assertion that the title was fitting, thus pointing to the fact they believe Paul's a wing nut.

    Fine, okay, I don't agree but lets see.

    The Reasonable and non elitist jerk response would be, oh I don't know, how about asking "Why do you believe he's a wing nut". Obviously, there's a number of things that could be the root cause, lets see what it may be. Then, I can possibly actually debate them or point out issues that they are confused about, thus potentially turning their opinion around.

    The elitist jerk reaction, which is apparently the Ron Paul/Libertarian equivilent of hyper partisan republicans/liberals only generally with a bit more of a vocabulary and far more use of the word "sheeple", would be essentially IMMEDIETELY assume it MUST be because that person hates the constitution or responsable government and that those extremely vague, generic, "hope and change" type statements actually describe in nuance the issues someone may have with Ron Paul, and proceeds to insult, belittle, and assume from that point out, thus making it likely that everyone will look at the Paulites as jackasses save for other Paulites that will proceed to have a circle jerk.

    Know why I ended up voting for Ron Paul? Cause after watching elitist jerk to elitist jerk go on their idiotic rants I actually ended up talking to one that was.....my god....reasonable, sensable, able to have a real conversation where he didn't believe he was Zeus and the person he was talking to was a newborn, acknowledged the other persons issues with Paul or his platform even if he didn't agree with it, and did that horrible, outrageous, perposterous thing that I'm sure amazes people....he had a conversation with me.

    Amazingly, it wasn't through the lunatic crazy nutjobs that were calling me sheeple while droning on about "The Fed" and "9/11" that actually got me corrected, nor the "ZOMG you must hate the Constitution" Ron Paul is the greatest thing since sliced bread and if you don't believe it you're just an idiot crowd. No, it was someone having a reasonable conversation that made me finally actually come to understand some of his points and positions and to research them rather then just taking him for face value, something he's horrible at.

    Why would someone think Ron Paul is a wingnut?

    Do you tell a person that's addicted to a drug that he needs to completely stop taking the drug cold turkey, seemingly having no cares for the dangerous withdrawl symptom? Generally no, I'd think someone giving that advise to be a bit crazy.

    Do you tell a 400 pound obese person they need to get up off the couch and run 8 miles? No, that'd sound a bit crazy if that's all you said and you left out that you didn't mean do 8 miles right then, but that's the end goal and you want him to build to it.

    When you sit here and go we need to get rid of the department of education, we need to get rid of the Fed, we need to get rid of troops anywhere in the world besides the U.S., we need to pull out of Iraq immedietely he's doing essentially that. He's a ****, piss poor, public speaker in the way the current political environment is presented. He's HORRIBLE at getting his message across in those situations. So what you have is a guy standing up and basically saying we need to just axe an entire large sector of the government that in some way shape or form touches each and every persons lives with seemingly no indication or reason to believe (due to what he's saying) that he means this not as an instant "Boom, its gone" but as a gradual thing.

    This isn't even going into the fact that he has an extremely large 9/11 truther following that the "r3volution" welcome with open arms and when you have those kind of people largely representing you while also making comments that, while potentially factually correct, without further context sounds very much like its endorsing their beliefs, that's ALSO a great way to make yourself look like a wingnut to someone who hasn't actually looked into you much. And when you have egotistical, full of themselves, elitists cawing at anyone that dare questions it that doesn't encourage people to actually research it but instead immedietely turns them off from it.

    Ron Paul had the best and worst grass roots campaign I've seen since becoming interested in Politics. It swept like wild fire and truly drove what he did. It capitalized on the Internet more than any campaign has before and will be copied without question by future campaigns. The issue with it however was the very thing that made it appeal to certain people that joined up with it is the very thing that kept it from every truly reaching out to anything outside of a very niche crowd of pseudointellectual internet people and politically informed individuals.

    There are NUMEROUS reasons why one could, after a cursory view of Paul, believe him to be a "wingnut". Far, far more, and far more likely, than that they think "following the constitution and having a responsable government" is a "wingnut" belief.

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    Re: Wingnuts Unite: Ron Paul Joins Michelle Bachmann in Weirdest Town Hall Ever

    As far as Bachmann I honestly don't know enough about her to try and figure out why she'd agree to a town hall with Paul, nor why she complimented him. That said I don't see it as a sell out or a bad thing for Paul. Ultimately, it is another elected official. If they were taking questions specifically on an issue they both agree with, alright. If its about stuff they disagreed with then perhaps it'd make for a lively town hall where both sides are giving their views.

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