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    Re: Wingnuts Unite: Ron Paul Joins Michelle Bachmann in Weirdest Town Hall Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    That doesn't mean the debates were unfair. It just means the other candidates know how to undermine Ron Paul better than Ron Paul knows how to communicate. He's not slick, he's not eloquent, and he's not aesthetic in anyway, which means he will never be President.
    No, it's that politicians rely on slick salesmanship, and Ron Paul was standing on the core values this country (used to ) stands for... that's kooky these days though.

    Yes, Ron Paul received the most money from military members. I don't see what this has to do with the damaging association of 9/11 Truthers.
    Why are you trying to inject 9-11 into the discussion... It's to say that anyone that cares about the country and it's constitution wanted Ron Paul for pres... whether or not they knew that was the case... his support was decidedly grassroots, and he raised the same or more then the other politicians completely in 100$ average contributions.

    If you're going to support Ron Paul then you should make it a point to leave 9/11 conspiracy theories out of the discussion entirely. That is, if you actually care about the man's reputation or his message...
    I don't see the relevance 9-11 even has in this discussion??? It keeps getting injected here...

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    Re: Wingnuts Unite: Ron Paul Joins Michelle Bachmann in Weirdest Town Hall Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    That is one strange bedfellow... but both are nuts so I guess they have that in common.
    IMO:

    Ron Paul is someone who takes ideas and concepts to their logical but impractical extremes. A man of great integrity who speaks his mind. His honesty is handicapped by his lack of pragmatism.

    Michelle Bachmann is a 2nd rate Sarah Palin. Another example of the Peter Principle in government--someone who has risen to level of her own incompetence. A thrower of mindless talking points when speaking, a hyper-partisan moron that damages the credibility of the GOP every time she opens her mouth.

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    Re: Wingnuts Unite: Ron Paul Joins Michelle Bachmann in Weirdest Town Hall Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    It's true. Ever hear of the 3/5 compromise?
    Yes, I have heard of it.

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    I learned about that one in fourth grade...
    Obviously, you failed that lesson.
    The States were allowed to have slavery as compromise for the Constitution being adopted.
    The 3/5 Compromise was a political negotiation by the South to achieve more voting power in the national legislature (i.e., determining population for political representation). It was NOT about granting the right to own slaves.


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    Re: Wingnuts Unite: Ron Paul Joins Michelle Bachmann in Weirdest Town Hall Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Yes, I have heard of it.



    Obviously, you failed that lesson.


    The 3/5 Compromise was a political negotiation by the South to achieve more voting power in the national legislature (i.e., determining population for political representation). It was NOT about granting the right to own slaves.

    The three-fifths compromise was an attempt to reduce the number of pro-slavery proponents in the Congress, since it applied only to slaves and not free blacks. It was part of the overall compromise process that took place.

    Many Founders were against slavery, and even started the first anti-slavery institutions in America, but at the time they could not risk the stability of our newly formed Republic in order to abolish the institution, so a compromise - which partly involved the 3/5 compromise - was reached and slavery was permitted for the time being.

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    Re: Wingnuts Unite: Ron Paul Joins Michelle Bachmann in Weirdest Town Hall Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    IMO:

    Ron Paul is someone who takes ideas and concepts to their logical but impractical extremes. A man of great integrity who speaks his mind. His honesty is handicapped by his lack of pragmatism.

    Michelle Bachmann is a 2nd rate Sarah Palin. Another example of the Peter Principle in government--someone who has risen to level of her own incompetence. A thrower of mindless talking points when speaking, a hyper-partisan moron that damages the credibility of the GOP every time she opens her mouth.
    I wouldn't call it necessarily a logical conclusion Rep. Paul comes to, provided his ideological goals are more in the mainstream. To say so is the result of intellectual pigeonholing, such as the propensity for people to extrapolate their immediate experience into false dichotomies.

    Rep. Bachmann is crazy, but what can you expect from the outer ring suburbs?

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    Re: Wingnuts Unite: Ron Paul Joins Michelle Bachmann in Weirdest Town Hall Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Using the source linked above(since I got it still open):

    Voted against Extending Federal Emergency Unemployment Benefits.

    Voted against funding for both Iraq and Afghanistan

    Voted against needle exchange programs

    Voted against improvements to student loan programs

    Voted for impeachment of Clinton

    voted against a bill to authorize $1.01 billion for the 2009 fiscal year to rebuild structurally deficient bridges on the National Highway System and to require states to devise plans for the replacement of such bridges.

    Voted against GI Bill expansion

    Voted against Establishment of the Office of Congressional Ethics

    Voted for the Secure Fence act

    Voted against the United States-India Agreement for Cooperation on Peaceful Uses of Nuclear Energy.

    Voted for An amendment to prohibit any funds to be used by the FDA for the testing, development, or approval (including approval of production, manufacturing, or distribution) of any drug for the chemical inducement of abortion

    Voted against stem cell research

    voted yes to to adopt an amendment that would ban federal funding in the District of Columbia for couples who want to adopt a child but are not related by blood or marriage.

    Voted yes to adopt an amendment that gives states the option to display the Ten Commandments in public buildings or on public property.

    Voted against VA and HUD funding

    Sponsored the 2005 version of Sanctity of Life Act

    I can go on into his comments and positions if you really want.
    Generally speaking Ron Paul will vote against anything he perceives as improper for the federal government to do. Are there ever any exceptions, I don't know, but this is the perception. Do I agree with him on everything, no I don't and usually on foreign policy matters. But I do understand why he take his positions on foreign policy. He views policy as it ought to be if we had followed the advice of some of our Founders. There is nothing in the Constitution that prescribes what our foreign policy is or that it should go as some Founders thought it should. As far as the Constitutionaility of certain bills passed in Congress, he is very correct philisophically. Some say his district benefits from federal money regardless of how he votes, and that he knows this. Frankly I think how he votes is all that matters since that is the only thing he has control over. The most unfortunate thing about Ron Paul, is that his efforts are futile in today's politics especially since he is generally alone.
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    Re: Wingnuts Unite: Ron Paul Joins Michelle Bachmann in Weirdest Town Hall Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The slave trade was given to the Congress, eventually there were movements by the People to end slavery and the trade.
    Your claim :

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari
    The federal government, in the creation of it, argued and agreed on terms and termination of slavery.
    I asked you to provide the source for that claim. You've avoided doing so because you know it's not true. The slave trade(or in your words slavery) was NEVER given to Congress. What was given to Congress was the power to end IMPORTATION of slaves but only 20 years after the signing of the Constitution. Please understand the difference between slavery and the importation of slaves?

    Pressure was applied to slave states, they didn't like it. They revolted. The federal government not only had say in the slave trade (interstate commerce), but also in putting down rebellion.
    Can you please provide a source for your claim?

    No, human is a species. A human fetus is human. You're confusing "human" and "person". What you want to define is "personhood".
    Fair enough. Let me rephrase. Can you tell us why the rest of the human species should live by your definition of when life begins?

    Deflect and dodge. If you wish to honestly engage in debate, please do. Otherwise this is pointless. This has nothing to do with what we're talking about.
    No it is your inability to comprehend that my choices have nothing to do with your beliefs. If you choose to believe that life begins at conception that is fine. If you choose to believe that a fetus, zygote, test tube rat is the equivalent of a human being that is fine and dandy. Those are your beliefs. My beliefs are not yours and yours are not mine.

    No, you fail to hear. You've set your mind, I said that way before you started launching into your deflections and tangents. Thanks for proving me right.

    No, you simply have taken the "donkey" approach, refusing to hear and listen to a position and instead deploy deflection and red herring to get away from topics at hand. You can grow up and debate intelligently, or you can run along. Talking to a brick wall doesn't appeal much to me.
    I'm still waiting for you to provide any proof of the claims you've made or answer any question. But you can't. It's a simple matter. I've asked you for 3-4 pages why your definition of when life begins should be the one people use to make their reproductive choices. You couldn't.
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    Re: Wingnuts Unite: Ron Paul Joins Michelle Bachmann in Weirdest Town Hall Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Generally speaking Ron Paul will vote against anything he perceives as improper for the federal government to do. Are there ever any exceptions, I don't know, but this is the perception. Do I agree with him on everything, no I don't and usually on foreign policy matters. But I do understand why he take his positions on foreign policy. He views policy as it ought to be if we had followed the advice of some of our Founders. There is nothing in the Constitution that prescribes what our foreign policy is or that it should go as some Founders thought it should. As far as the Constitutionaility of certain bills passed in Congress, he is very correct philisophically. Some say his district benefits from federal money regardless of how he votes, and that he knows this. Frankly I think how he votes is all that matters since that is the only thing he has control over. The most unfortunate thing about Ron Paul, is that his efforts are futile in today's politics especially since he is generally alone.
    I don't care what hairbrained reason Paul votes against things for. I care about results. I am sorry I have offended some people's cult leader, but Paul is a looney on almost every issue. It's not just his votes, it's the bills he has introduced. It's not just the bills he has introduced it's the things he says. Total package is nutcase.
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    Re: Wingnuts Unite: Ron Paul Joins Michelle Bachmann in Weirdest Town Hall Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I asked you to provide the source for that claim. You've avoided doing so because you know it's not true. The slave trade(or in your words slavery) was NEVER given to Congress. What was given to Congress was the power to end IMPORTATION of slaves but only 20 years after the signing of the Constitution. Please understand the difference between slavery and the importation of slaves?
    The federal government can put down rebellion. I don't know what more you want. The federal government wanted to end the slave trade. The south was already under pressure to change from people (there was a fairly decent abolitionist movement in America, especially in the North) and industry (including Europe). The south didn't like it, they wanted to keep their slaves. They rebelled, the US government put down the rebellion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Can you please provide a source for your claim?
    It's called history. Are you disputing the fact that the south tried to secede from the Union?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Fair enough. Let me rephrase. Can you tell us why the rest of the human species should live by your definition of when life begins?
    Why should the rest of the human species have to live by your definition of when life begins? You keep saying I want to hold people to my standards, but you're doing the same. With abortion, I've not seen scientific definition of when "life" begins in terms of people wanting to apply "personhood". But the organism becomes human at conception. Since no one can really say when life begins, I think we should err on the side of the child. Instead of destroying a human when convenient. But as I have said already, I can't do anything about that since the SCOTUS already ruled on the case.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No it is your inability to comprehend that my choices have nothing to do with your beliefs. If you choose to believe that life begins at conception that is fine. If you choose to believe that a fetus, zygote, test tube rat is the equivalent of a human being that is fine and dandy. Those are your beliefs. My beliefs are not yours and yours are not mine.
    And yet you want to subjugate people to your belief while mocking my own. There's no doubt of what abortion does, it destroys a human.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No, you fail to hear. You've set your mind, I said that way before you started launching into your deflections and tangents. Thanks for proving me right.
    You never made the claim. I did, however. I know your incredible bias on the issue of Ron Paul and knew from the start you weren't going to engage in any form of honest debate on the issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I'm still waiting for you to provide any proof of the claims you've made or answer any question. But you can't. It's a simple matter. I've asked you for 3-4 pages why your definition of when life begins should be the one people use to make their reproductive choices. You couldn't.
    And I asked you the same. The only thing I got was a huge deflection towards slavery. The only ironic thing I find in that is that you use the "logic" of the slavers. Defining "human" as whatever is convenient for them.
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    Re: Wingnuts Unite: Ron Paul Joins Michelle Bachmann in Weirdest Town Hall Ever

    I would like to point out to those Paul supporters that are bitching and moaning about how poorly they get treated because they support Paul... It could be worse. Try being an Obama supporter. I can't even log onto this site without seeing him called a fascist, a commie, an american-hater, you name it. Keep in mind you're not alone here, if anything you have it better than we do.
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