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    Re: Wingnuts Unite: Ron Paul Joins Michelle Bachmann in Weirdest Town Hall Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Because everything not given to the federal government has been reserved by the People and the States.
    Whoa, your logical argument using the Constitution has no place here. Jeez.

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    Re: Wingnuts Unite: Ron Paul Joins Michelle Bachmann in Weirdest Town Hall Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Because everything not given to the federal government has been reserved by the People and the States.
    Wrong. The Federal government has control over absolutely everything. Stop being such a wingnut.

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    Re: Wingnuts Unite: Ron Paul Joins Michelle Bachmann in Weirdest Town Hall Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Wrong. The Federal government has control over absolutely everything. Stop being such a wingnut.
    Damn it, that's right. I'm sorry.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Wingnuts Unite: Ron Paul Joins Michelle Bachmann in Weirdest Town Hall Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    You didn't answer my question. What a shocker!
    You asked what kind of fence. I provided you with the link to what kind of fence it was. Would you like me to drive over to where you live and read what it says to you too?

    The Secure Fence Act (which is what we are talking about) only provides for 700 miles of fence, among other things.
    And like the Great Wall of China, Hadrian's Wall, The Berlin wall etc it is a complete failure.

    Your glaring double-standard
    Is this what you do when confronted with your own strawman? That is the belief that people claim Ron Paul is a wingnut because of a single issue?
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    Re: Wingnuts Unite: Ron Paul Joins Michelle Bachmann in Weirdest Town Hall Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    He could try. I doubt there would be any success there. Legislature that contradicts the SCOTUS will be struck down in now time.
    I honestly don't care what Ron Paul could/would try when he claims he'll do away with income tax in his first week like being President is some magical power.

    They are activist judges, but what are you going to do about it?
    According to him. According to me they made the right decision.

    Why is it that you can submit your opinion of non-life or un-humanity of the unborn child, yet I can't submit my opinion? Hypocrisy much? Thus of course comes back to your unwillingness to entertain any debate or opinion on the matter. But you'll probably ignore that.
    Because mine doesn't infringe on your right to follow whatever beliefs you have.My wife getting an abortion is none of your business. Just like your wife not choosing to get an abortion is none of mine. Do you not get this fundamental difference between you and I? I honestly don't give a **** what you do with your life as long as it doesn't infringe on the liberties of other walking, breathing, thinking, viable human beings.

    It's not "now", you didn't want it from the get go. So nothing's changed. Why is it that you can supersede my opinions, but I can't supersede yours? Hmm?
    Explain to me how me not caring about your reproductive choices infringes on those choices. It doesn't. Just thought I'd let you know.

    Good to know that intellectually honest debate seems to not be your concern. I never said it was OK. I gave the historical context as to why it was allowed to exist. And why slavery is different than abortion. Slavery was clearly wrong, and the federal government interceded because the rights of the individual were being infringed upon. Now with abortion, it's not the same. You can't make a simple property argument since it can also be argued from a right to life issue. As it stands, this is proper domain of the State.

    The slaves were human (much like the unborn child), we simply didn't recognize that (much like the unborn child). It was agreed upon that slavery would be phased out of the US. That time came and went, the South tried to renege, we fought a war and rectified the problem. Slavery and abortion are rather different issues though as there's no doubt that a slave is "human", but people will argue the unborn child is not "human". I guess slave owners back in the day would have argued that slaves weren't human. Wait...what was your argument again?

    Because everything not given to the federal government has been reserved by the People and the States.
    Do you not understand the massive contradiction you're engaging in? In the same paragraph you say that it's wrong for a State to deem what is a human being and what isn't in the case of slavery. Then you state that it's right for the State to deem what is and isn't a human being in the case of abortion. My argument resides in that the neutral stance would be NO LEVEL of government Federal or otherwise having the right to deem what is and isn't life in either of the presented scenarios and that your entire premise for being opposed to one and not the other resides in your personal sense of morality. Not mine. Do you get it yet?
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    Re: Wingnuts Unite: Ron Paul Joins Michelle Bachmann in Weirdest Town Hall Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    You're obsession with the UN is quite comical. Do you think it has some sort of magical powers?
    Your belief that a stance on the UN like Ron Paul's makes any sense in the 21st century is why you're still thinking about getting drunk and finding smart chicks to screw and I'm more concerned with my finances. If you'd like to ad hom like you usually do you're more then welcome to. I won't play nice this time.
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    Re: Wingnuts Unite: Ron Paul Joins Michelle Bachmann in Weirdest Town Hall Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Because mine doesn't infringe on your right to follow whatever beliefs you have.My wife getting an abortion is none of your business[/U]. Just like your wife not choosing to get an abortion is none of mine. Do you not get this fundamental difference between you and I? I honestly don't give a **** what you do with your life as long as it doesn't infringe on the liberties of other walking, breathing, thinking, viable human beings.
    Yours does more than that. Yours kills human life. Decrease by 1.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Do you not understand the massive contradiction you're engaging in? In the same paragraph you say that it's wrong for a State to deem what is a human being and what isn't in the case of slavery. Then you state that it's right for the State to deem what is and isn't a human being in the case of abortion. My argument resides in that the neutral stance would be NO LEVEL of government Federal or otherwise having the right to deem what is and isn't life in either of the presented scenarios and that your entire premise for being opposed to one and not the other resides in your personal sense of morality. Not mine. Do you get it yet?
    The federal government, in the creation of it, argued and agreed on terms and termination of slavery. That was done on the federal level, and the federal government agreed to allow for a certain time the practice, afterwards it would be phased out. Do you not get that? Are you unable to get that? Abortion was not brought up then, and specifically in the Constitution it states that things not given to the federal government are reserved for the People and the State. Do you get it yet?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Wingnuts Unite: Ron Paul Joins Michelle Bachmann in Weirdest Town Hall Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yours does more than that. Yours kills human life. Decrease by 1.
    Still trying to push your personal 'atheist' definition of murder on me? Glad to know.

    The federal government, in the creation of it, argued and agreed on terms and termination of slavery.
    Source?
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    Re: Wingnuts Unite: Ron Paul Joins Michelle Bachmann in Weirdest Town Hall Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Still trying to push your personal 'atheist' definition of murder on me? Glad to know.
    Based on the rights and liberties of the individual.

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    Philadelphia Convention. It doesn't matter all your deflect here and red herring. Slavery was allowed for a certain amount of time, it was to be phased out. The South didn't agree and attempted to secede from the Union. The Federal government, which is allowed the power of maintaining the Republic and putting down revolution did just that. They moved to put down the rebellion.
    Last edited by Ikari; 10-07-09 at 05:43 PM.
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    Re: Wingnuts Unite: Ron Paul Joins Michelle Bachmann in Weirdest Town Hall Ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Based on the rights and liberties of the individual.
    Ah so still claiming your sense of morality and what is and isn't 'human being' should be allowed to infringe on mine?

    Second Continental Congress. It doesn't matter all your deflect here and red herring. Slavery was allowed for a certain amount of time, it was to be phased out. The South didn't agree and attempted to secede from the Union. The Federal government, which is allowed the power of maintaining the Republic and putting down revolution did just that. They moved to put down the rebellion.
    The Second Continental Congress? You do know it was replaced & VOIDED by the CONSTITUTION right?
    Last edited by Hatuey; 10-07-09 at 05:49 PM.
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