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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    And he has expanded the force in Afghanistan already once, and made other adjustments.
    You realize that he only sent about 2,000 additional troops to the theater, right? Please, don't act as if he sent a ****load of new people.

    What adjustments would those be?

    IMO, I think he's figured out that he isn't going to leave Iraq as fast as he thought and he's got his ass in a crack. He's trying to figure out how to work this so it doesn't turn into a cluster ****, like everything else he's done.
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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, it's a fact, if no decsion is made, there's a 100% chance that a good decision will not be made. Getting lucky doesn't factor in.
    But one can make the decision to take time to make another decision. In this case, a good decision was required for the 'lucky' scenario. Consider my perceptive uncertainty thread in the religion and philosophy sub-forum.

    But, they're not on the battlefield, which makes their opinion purdy much ****.
    If their opinion is worthless, than what is yours? I can't imagine you are on the ground right now typing on a political debate forum. Besides, what about Gen. McChrystal's report? How long do the logistics of deployment take?

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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Helte/2Skelter View Post

    If their opinion is worthless, than what is yours? I can't imagine you are on the ground right now typing on a political debate forum.
    Am I suggesting that McChrystal's plan is wrong? Am I saying wait? No, I'm saying go with the ground commander's assessment of the situation. No one can argue that his perspective is better than anyone else's.

    How long do the logistics of deployment take?
    The logistics certainly take time. The longer we wait to deploy, the long it will take to get boots on the ground.
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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Am I suggesting that McChrystal's plan is wrong? Am I saying wait? No, I'm saying go with the ground commander's assessment of the situation. No one can argue that his perspective is better than anyone else's.
    I can argue against that. His perspective is narrow. He may or may not know about future strategy changes planned or in discussions. He probably is not entirely on top of overall force management and availability. He has a narrow focus, not a broad perspective. This does not mean he is wrong, and I am not claiming he is.

    The logistics certainly take time. The longer we wait to deploy, the long it will take to get boots on the ground.
    There is a time limit certainly. I would strongly believe that a decision will be reached before that time limit, but until then, there is no reason to rush into a decision.
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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    I can see the headline for a world doomsday scenerio already, "COMET IMPACT IMMINENT! Obama takes 20 day breather."
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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    really? really? our troops have been shot at for how many years, and you're actually upset about weeks? how non partisan of you.



    If Bush did this I'd be the same way. If you need "Weeks" to make up your mind, you don't announce it.


    What if you were in afghanistan, How would you feel not knowing what the mission is, and having so sit by for months waiting while being shot at?


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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by missypea View Post
    Saying things like this make you look really silly, Rev.

    No president is going to just forget that there's a war going on.





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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    Another big concern of mine is that I've heard from three different sources that the rules of engagement have changed since civilians were killed in a missile strike a few months ago.

    I've heard that artillery is being refused when called in to support ground troops that come under attack because they are afraid of hurting civilians.

    I've also heard that air cover is is now limited. Helicopters and jets are only allowed to fire flairs and overfly the Taliban fighters to try and scare them away, but are not allowed to fire on them.

    Like I said, I've heard this from three different sources that claim to have been on the ground, but I have not been able to confirm it. If this is true, the Obama administration is putting our troops in mortal danger.

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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Another big concern of mine is that I've heard from three different sources that the rules of engagement have changed since civilians were killed in a missile strike a few months ago.

    I've heard that artillery is being refused when called in to support ground troops that come under attack because they are afraid of hurting civilians.

    I've also heard that air cover is is now limited. Helicopters and jets are only allowed to fire flairs and overfly the Taliban fighters to try and scare them away, but are not allowed to fire on them.

    Like I said, I've heard this from three different sources that claim to have been on the ground, but I have not been able to confirm it. If this is true, the Obama administration is putting our troops in mortal danger.




    When you find the source for this. Let me know. This would be outrageous.
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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    A bad decision is better than no decision at all.
    So you're not one that in the health care debate is going "No plan is better than a bad plan"?

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