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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The facts are, the theater commander has requested additional troops. The president is dragging his ass making the decision to fill that request.
    Other members of the top military brass are highly skeptical of this plan. There is hardly unanimity here. Rushing into a decision would be a mistake.

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    The longer they wait to decide, the longer it will be before the troops will arrive in country. They can't decide in December to dploy 40,000 troops and expect to have them there by January.
    What's your point? George Bush could have ordered a deployment last year. Circumstances have changed since then, you say? Then they could change again in the next few months, so what's the hurry?
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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah, I guess crossing your fingers might work, but probably, not. On a battlefield, indecision usually doesn't improve the situation.
    Probably not, I am just stingy about using 100% to describe the probability of any real event.

    They're not the theater commanders, either. So, their opinions are just that, opinions.
    Given their expertise, they are probably the best that can be gotten that are not currently on the battlefield. As for Gen. McChrystal, he is talking about getting more troops within the next year. Do you know about how long the logistics of deployment is? This may allow us to produce a reasonable estimate of how much time Pres. Obama has to be within Gen. McChrystal's current time-line.

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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    You'd rather he make a rash decision without collecting evidence and consulting all of the relevant people? Once upon a time we had a president who tried that strategy. Our troops ended up in Iraq.
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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Other members of the top military brass are highly skeptical of this plan. There is hardly unanimity here. Rushing into a decision would be a mistake.
    Care to point out who those members are? So far, everyone that is actually in the chain of command agrees with McChrystal's assessment.



    What's your point? George Bush could have ordered a deployment last year. Circumstances have changed since then, you say? Then they could change again in the next few months, so what's the hurry?

    It's called, "risk assessment". You plan for the worst, hope for the best. We must assume the worst, prepare for it; if we deploy additional forces and events on the ground develope differently and they're not needed, then that's ok. It's better to have'em and not need'em than to need'em and not have'em.
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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Helte/2Skelter View Post
    Probably not, I am just stingy about using 100% to describe the probability of any real event.
    No, it's a fact, if no decsion is made, there's a 100% chance that a good decision will not be made. Getting lucky doesn't factor in.



    Given their expertise, they are probably the best that can be gotten that are not currently on the battlefield. As for Gen. McChrystal, he is talking about getting more troops within the next year. Do you know about how long the logistics of deployment is? This may allow us to produce a reasonable estimate of how much time Pres. Obama has to be within Gen. McChrystal's current time-line.

    But, they're not on the battlefield, which makes their opinion purdy much ****.
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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It's not December, there is a window of opportunity to commit more troops, and there is a possibility that it is not wise to commit those troops, which is almost certainly what is being discussed.
    I don't think it could ever be credibly suggested that it is wise to commit more troops to a combat theater.
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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    So what do you really think of the emporer's new clothes?

    ok so the americans who have to sit around and be shot and killed "don't really matter" while Obama fiddles while Afghanistan burns.... Gotcha.
    Come on Rev, give the Pres. a break. After all, do you really expect quick decisions on a war from someone that took 4 months to decide what kind of dog to get?

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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    "A good plan implemented today is better than a perfect plan implemented tomorrow."

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    Ya, but that assumes that this is at least a "good plan," which is the entire point in dispute. I doubt that Old Blood and Guts would say that a bad plan implemented today is better than a good plan implemented tomorrow.
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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    So you think that the president should only be allowed 20 days to decide on a major strategic shift in a war? That seems pretty important to me.
    That is not the point. He has been in office a lot more than 20 days.

    And he is barely close up inspecting himself just now?
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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    That is not the point. He has been in office a lot more than 20 days.

    And he is barely close up inspecting himself just now?
    And he has expanded the force in Afghanistan already once, and made other adjustments.
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