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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    It is interesting, though, that he needs to take this much time to decide if he wants to do the thing all of his military people say needs to be done if his own stated goals are to be achieved . . . why, because it's vitally important that we get it right . . .

    But when it comes to the massive overhaul of the health care system, the consequences of which will be a massive, permanent fact of life, for always, no, the time for debate is over. If he had gotten what he wanted, it would have been voted on in July, before anyone even knew what it entailed.

    Same for the "stimulus" package. NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW.
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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    It is interesting, though, that he needs to take this much time to decide if he wants to do the thing all of his military people say needs to be done if his own stated goals are to be achieved . . . why, because it's vitally important that we get it right . . .
    There is some disagreement among the top military brass if this strategy is appropriate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw
    But when it comes to the massive overhaul of the health care system, the consequences of which will be a massive, permanent fact of life, for always, no, the time for debate is over.
    The debate is ongoing. The main debate was last fall...and the American people elected Barack Obama over John McCain, and congressional Democrats over congressional Republicans. Since then, there has been a healthy, ongoing debate among Democrats as to what kind of health care reform should be enacted. Republicans have mostly chosen to sit on the sidelines.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw
    If he had gotten what he wanted, it would have been voted on in July, before anyone even knew what it entailed.

    Same for the "stimulus" package. NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW.
    The stimulus package, by its nature, was something that needed to be implemented immediately. Afghanistan and health care will still be there, whether a decision is made this month or in 3 months.
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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    The debate is indeed ongoing, but that's not what Obama wanted. "The time for debate is over" is what he said about it. He wanted this passed before the August recess.

    So, why no need for such measured consideration necessary there?
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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    A good gauge for Obama's intentions are his words to bring the troops home from Iraq. He word smithed lots of anti-war Americans and played on Americas heart strings. Keep your words simple (and interchangable to your true intentions) and purposely let people assume that you will use your powers for good.


    It is like a parent tricking a kid into cleaning out a car for them by saying,

    "Do all your chores and I will give you all the money in my pocket."



    Then waiting for the child to finish. Then when he comes up to you and asks for your money you reply,

    "Well..... I never said when I'd give it to you.... I don't think it would be safe for me to pay you right now. Got some bills comming up.... Maybe next year if my situation permits it."
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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    The debate is indeed ongoing, but that's not what Obama wanted. "The time for debate is over" is what he said about it. He wanted this passed before the August recess.

    So, why no need for such measured consideration necessary there?
    Because he already campaigned on this issue and won the election? And because unlike the state of health care in this country, the state of the economy and the conditions in Afghanistan have been rapidly evolving since Obama took office.
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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Because he already campaigned on this issue and won the election?
    What's that got to do with it?

    Are you saying he won the election, therefore whatever bill he wants passed should be passed without debate?

    If not, then what does the election have to do with debating specific pieces of legislation? 'Coz that's the "debate" he was talking about.
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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    You'd think he would have gotten the intelligence right, and given the UN the chance to finish their inspections then. Hmm.
    No one, except GWB's political detractors, questioned the intel.
    Not the Brits, the French, the Germans, the Russins, or the Israelis.

    The general just requested more troops a couple weeks ago.
    And...?

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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    What's that got to do with it?

    Are you saying he won the election, therefore whatever bill he wants passed should be passed without debate?
    Not at all. Feel free to argue against his changes all you want, and do everything in your power to stop them if you don't agree with them. But let's not pretend like he's "rushing" health care. Obama campaigned on the issue and won, and this has been a major policy debate in the United States for 100 years. Whatever you think about the policies, they've hardly been rushed.

    Afghanistan and the stimulus package, on the other hand, are constantly evolving issues.
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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Not at all. Feel free to argue against his changes all you want, and do everything in your power to stop them if you don't agree with them. But let's not pretend like he's "rushing"
    There's no pretending involved.

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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    There's no pretending involved.
    Wonderful. A) I wasn't talking to you, B) I explained my point in the part which you conveniently snipped out of my response, C) Do you really think that responding to my post with "Nuh-uh" makes you look smart?
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