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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Drudge is posting pics of flag draped coffins. I have seen no threads using them as we were treated to during the iraq war from several posters here.


    btw, shame on drudge.
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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    Funny, you both in this very thread thanked a post by a person whose words read as nothing but someone putting forth faux outrage while at the same time being over joyed that they're being proven right by using the deaths of soldiers for political means. When this happened in years before conservatives were quick to point out that we were attacked and went into Afghanistan, not the other way around. They were quick to point out that its regrettable but people die during war. They were quick to point out that even in peace time people die in decent numbers in the military, its a dangerous job. Yet now the things on the other foot and we have conservatives waiting with baited breath going "huff huff huff another 8 died huff huff huff for shame obama for shame obama huff huff huff just wait till I can point out when MORE died huff huff huff".

    I don't care what political party it is. Grandstanding and manipulating the death of our troops for political purposes is disgusting. Its disgusting, its low, its sleezy, and my respect for you particularly rev in thanking such a pathetic attempt regardless of the fact that he's on "your side" is lessened.

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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Funny, you both in this very thread thanked a post by a person whose words read as nothing but someone putting forth faux outrage while at the same time being over joyed that they're being proven right by using the deaths of soldiers for political means. When this happened in years before conservatives were quick to point out that we were attacked and went into Afghanistan, not the other way around. They were quick to point out that its regrettable but people die during war. They were quick to point out that even in peace time people die in decent numbers in the military, its a dangerous job. Yet now the things on the other foot and we have conservatives waiting with baited breath going "huff huff huff another 8 died huff huff huff for shame obama for shame obama huff huff huff just wait till I can point out when MORE died huff huff huff".

    I don't care what political party it is. Grandstanding and manipulating the death of our troops for political purposes is disgusting. Its disgusting, its low, its sleezy, and my respect for you particularly rev in thanking such a pathetic attempt regardless of the fact that he's on "your side" is lessened.



    Who did I thank? I am not looking through all the posts.


    My concern, my only concern is a POTUS who is fiddling while my friends, brothers and sisters lives, who are taking fire with no mission direction.


    If Bush did this, Id have the same position. Suggesting I am using the troops as fodder for debate, is incorrect and insulting. I have the scars to show how much I am willing to do for my brothers and sisters.
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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    He did a "serious review" in March and announced a new "comprehensive strategy" then. He was still saying it was a must-win situation in July. Yet he's been at this waffling for over a month now.

    What changed in 6-7 weeks which requires this level of review?
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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Who did I thank? I am not looking through all the posts.


    My concern, my only concern is a POTUS who is fiddling while my friends, brothers and sisters lives, who are taking fire with no mission direction.


    If Bush did this, Id have the same position. Suggesting I am using the troops as fodder for debate, is incorrect and insulting. I have the scars to show how much I am willing to do for my brothers and sisters.
    As a matter of fact, I did have this same position when it was obvious that Bush needed to deploy more soldiers to Iraq.
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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    Oh I see Conservabill's post. I thanked his position on Obama's incompetence, I didn't really pay attention to the rhetoric. I hold a similar position, though I am short on the hyperbole.
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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Oh I see Conservabill's post. I thanked his position on Obama's incompetence, I didn't really pay attention to the rhetoric. I hold a similar position, though I am short on the hyperbole.
    I have no big issue with his point content wise. Saying a Presidents actions makes him responsable for the well being of our troops is one thing. I don't have issue with it here. I didn't have issue with it when people were complaining about Bush starting the Iraq War, or not sending more troops to either venue, or not pulling out, etc.

    My issue was with the huge hyperbole, talking about blood on the hands, tallying numbers of soldiers, and using their specific deaths and that death count to specifically attempt to crucify Obama. Its digusting, pathetic, over the top, INSULTING rhetoric that is unneeded and uncalled for by any side and is an utter and complete disrespect towards the troops, current or former, and is worthy of nothing but disdain. Its one thing coming from "the other side" as well, and that still definitely bothers me, but I get even more greatly fired up about it when I see conservatives doing it and conservatives seemingly supporting people doing it because traditionally conservatives are the ones that scream about OTHERS doing it the most. When I see it I see not only the disgusting insult to our troops but a ****ting upon conservative values the movement supposedly has expressed so "genuinely" over the past decades. I have zero respect for anyone that goes into such pathetic hyperbole and attempts to capitalize on soldiers deaths for political reasons and unlike some hypocrites I don't find reasons to rectify it in my mind when its my side doing it.

    Thank you for clarifying what you were thanking, because without it it seems like you too were clearly using the death of troops for your political gains, and the fact you have those marks on your body is why it would've made me lose that much more respect for you if you turned around and supported doing that kind of BS.

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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    You'd rather he make a rash decision without collecting evidence and consulting all of the relevant people? Once upon a time we had a president who tried that strategy. Our troops ended up in Iraq.
    This is, of course, silly.
    The situation in Iraq had been 'evaluated' for 12 years. There's no support whatseover for the argument that GWB rushed into going to war or made a 'rash' decision to do so.

    Having said that -- seems to me that during the campaign, The Obama made the war in Afghanistan a top priority. He's had over 8 monthts to 'collect evidence and consulting all of the relevant people'.

    Why isnt 8 months long enough?

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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    70 days and two conversations with the general. His actions speak louder than words.
    I don't know Rev, his number of words might be equal to the number of visits.
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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    This is, of course, silly.
    The situation in Iraq had been 'evaluated' for 12 years. There's no support whatseover for the argument that GWB rushed into going to war or made a 'rash' decision to do so.
    You'd think he would have gotten the intelligence right, and given the UN the chance to finish their inspections then. Hmm.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman
    Having said that -- seems to me that during the campaign, The Obama made the war in Afghanistan a top priority. He's had over 8 monthts to 'collect evidence and consulting all of the relevant people'.

    Why isnt 8 months long enough?
    The general just requested more troops a couple weeks ago.
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