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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    Watching some of the conservatives in here using the death of soldiers for political gain is absolutely sickening, and disgusting. It was disgusting for 8 years when liberals did it, with their obvious demented glee at times behind the fact that the bad news is coming out, and its disgusting here. All those doing it are insulting the troops, both past and present. There's legitimate things to talk about here, but stop with your grandstanding and capitalizing on the death of troops for your own pathetic political games.

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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So you're not one that in the health care debate is going "No plan is better than a bad plan"?

    Or is that diiiiiiiiifferent



    I think it is.


    Right now we have troops sitting in harms way, waiting for Obama to make a decision.


    Where it is the same, is that Obama is delaying the healthcare thing as well, putting it in others hand, afraid imo to do any heavy lifting.



    Poop or get off the pot.


    Take the politics out of it. Imagine sitting in kabul now, as a troop, how would you feel as the day go by?
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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    I think weeks to take ANY action is idiotic.

    I think taking weeks to determine and over arching strategy isn't bad.

    Do we honestly thing "The surge" came about in the same time it takes to go on Leno and take a ****? That Bush woke up one day and went "I'm gonna do a surge" and boom it happened? Give me a freaking break.

    If Obama is going to do absolutely nothing, his generals do absolutely nothing, and we're going to continue as we're doing in Afghanistan for 3 or 4 weeks...that's a problem.

    If right now he's allowing the Generals to start shifting strategy abit, looking into at least shifting a few extra troops over there initially, while talking with his Joint Chiefs and directly or through them the generals to devise and over arching strategy over the next few weeks, I'll have no problem with it.

    We won't know which of those is going to happen until about a week or so goes by and we see how its happening.

    I'd be MUCH more confident in a massive shift in Afghanistan strategy if it was actually something that was given some serious thought and investigation rather than just going "DO THIS!" and throwing spaghetti against the wall and hoping it sticks.

    Utlimately, I'd like a bandaid put on in the short term while attempting to fix the root of the problem. However, if its between just putting bandaid after bandaid on it while never fixing the root problem or letting it bleed a bit longer to then actually fix the root problem for good, I'd rather the later.

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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I think weeks to take ANY action is idiotic.

    I think taking weeks to determine and over arching strategy isn't bad.

    Do we honestly thing "The surge" came about in the same time it takes to go on Leno and take a ****? That Bush woke up one day and went "I'm gonna do a surge" and boom it happened? Give me a freaking break.

    If Obama is going to do absolutely nothing, his generals do absolutely nothing, and we're going to continue as we're doing in Afghanistan for 3 or 4 weeks...that's a problem.

    If right now he's allowing the Generals to start shifting strategy abit, looking into at least shifting a few extra troops over there initially, while talking with his Joint Chiefs and directly or through them the generals to devise and over arching strategy over the next few weeks, I'll have no problem with it.

    We won't know which of those is going to happen until about a week or so goes by and we see how its happening.

    I'd be MUCH more confident in a massive shift in Afghanistan strategy if it was actually something that was given some serious thought and investigation rather than just going "DO THIS!" and throwing spaghetti against the wall and hoping it sticks.

    Utlimately, I'd like a bandaid put on in the short term while attempting to fix the root of the problem. However, if its between just putting bandaid after bandaid on it while never fixing the root problem or letting it bleed a bit longer to then actually fix the root problem for good, I'd rather the later.



    I think you misunderstand me... 1st I think the clock started when he tapped McChrystal. Troops now know he has been on leno, 50 different tv apperances and campaigning for the olympics.

    In that time, Obama spoke via VTC to mcChrystal once, and then again for 25 mins on the tarmack over in europe.


    It sends a clear message on priorities. And that is harmful to the mission in my opinion.


    This is not just "weeks" but "weeks" added on to months.
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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    When you find the source for this. Let me know. This would be outrageous.
    Unfortunately, it appears to be at least partially correct.

    U.S. commanders, citing new rules to avoid civilian casualties, rejected repeated calls to unleash artillery rounds at attackers dug into the slopes and tree lines despite being told repeatedly that they weren't near the village.

    The Marines were cut down as they sought cover in a trench at the base of the village's first layer cake-style stone house. Much of their ammunition was gone. One Marine was bending over a second, tending his wounds, when both were killed, said Marine Cpl. Dakota Meyer, 21, of Greensburg, Ky., who retrieved their bodies.
    'We're pinned down:' 4 U.S. Marines die in Afghan ambush | McClatchy

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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Watching some of the conservatives in here using the death of soldiers for political gain is absolutely sickening, and disgusting. It was disgusting for 8 years when liberals did it, with their obvious demented glee at times behind the fact that the bad news is coming out, and its disgusting here. All those doing it are insulting the troops, both past and present. There's legitimate things to talk about here, but stop with your grandstanding and capitalizing on the death of troops for your own pathetic political games.



    I hope sir, you are not talking about the Greatness that is the Good Revernd. My concern, my only concern, is the troops.

    Obama needs to make a decision already. Fiddling while they are in harms way, is not the right thing to do.


    Put yourself in Afghanistan and think about how you would feel with no mission and no direction.
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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Unfortunately, it appears to be at least partially correct.


    'We're pinned down:' 4 U.S. Marines die in Afghan ambush | McClatchy



    Meh, unless I see something more concrete.... I can tell you stories on things we couldn't call a strike on, this is nothing, and happens all the time, even before Obama. It is a shame these troops died, and it is a ****up of the Chain of Command, but this is not the 1st or the last time it will happen.
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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So you're not one that in the health care debate is going "No plan is better than a bad plan"?

    Or is that diiiiiiiiifferent
    It's extrememly different and no, I'm not one of the one's saying that no plan is better than a bad plan.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Watching some of the conservatives in here using the death of soldiers for political gain is absolutely sickening, and disgusting. It was disgusting for 8 years when liberals did it, with their obvious demented glee at times behind the fact that the bad news is coming out, and its disgusting here. All those doing it are insulting the troops, both past and present. There's legitimate things to talk about here, but stop with your grandstanding and capitalizing on the death of troops for your own pathetic political games.
    I've yet to see any Conservatives do that, sir.

    On the bright side, there aren't any KIA threads, "honoring", the troops.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama to take weeks to study Afghanistan strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I've yet to see any Conservatives do that, sir.

    On the bright side, there aren't any KIA threads, "honoring", the troops.



    Drudge is posting pics of flag draped coffins. I have seen no threads using them as we were treated to during the iraq war from several posters here.


    btw, shame on drudge.
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