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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    We have a million people in our military. McChrystal is asking for an additiona 40 thousand.

    What qualifies the president to second guess his theater commander? He's persident? Is that all?
    The fact that he is the General's commanding officer is one reason. The President has more facts then McChrystal has and those facts need to be weighed in also. The President also has military advisors who he can discuss the situation with to make sure McChrystal indeed needs what he is asking for.

    Does McChrystal give all of his subordinates everything they ask for without question? Do you feel he should? I mean, who is he to question them right? They know more about what they are commanding over then he does. McChrystal just knows what they and the rest of the subordinates report to him.
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What qualifies the president to second guess his theater commander? He's persident? Is that all?
    Yep. The President is meant to gather what information he can and come to a decision, or a series of decisions, etc etc.
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    The fact that he is the General's commanding officer is one reason. The President has more facts then McChrystal has and those facts need to be weighed in also. The President also has military advisors who he can discuss the situation with to make sure McChrystal indeed needs what he is asking for.

    The president knows more about the real situation than the actual ground commander? Hell, the info the president has about the scene on the ground came directly from the ground commander, so it's unrealistic to think tht the president knows more about it than the commander.

    Does McChrystal give all of his subordinates everything they ask for without question? Do you feel he should? I mean, who is he to question them right? They know more about what they are commanding over then he does. McChrystal just knows what they and the rest of the subordinates report to him.
    Yes, he does. It's his job to keep his field commanders informed and give hem whatever they need to do their job, be it information, training, or equipment.
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

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    Yep. The President is meant to gather what information he can and come to a decision, or a series of decisions, etc etc.
    Then, he needs to ****, or get off the pot.
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The president knows more about the real situation than the actual ground commander? Hell, the info the president has about the scene on the ground came directly from the ground commander, so it's unrealistic to think tht the president knows more about it than the commander.
    The commander knows of all political talks and/or military talks with Joint Cheifs the President is having involving Afghanistan going on that may impact US or other countries presence in Afghanistan?

    What makes you 100% certain the McChrystal strategy is perfectly flawless and requires no type of review or over site?


    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yes, he does. It's his job to keep his field commanders informed and give hem whatever they need to do their job, be it information, training, or equipment.
    So he's not required to make sure his field commanders are doing their job correctly and efficiently before proving them their every request?
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    I would agree with you with the present (I'm personally on the side of a surge, but wary of its implications in the country itself-seeing as how the people in there would be quite sensitive to an occupation force), but with the decision-making process, sometimes the status-quo is an option.
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    The commander knows of all political talks and/or military talks with Joint Cheifs the President is having involving Afghanistan going on that may impact US or other countries presence in Afghanistan?
    If he doesn't, then he's being cheated by his chain of command. he deserves to know what factors his superirors are using to determine if they are, or aren't going to fill his request. Wouldn't you agree.

    What makes you 100% certain the McChrystal strategy is perfectly flawless and requires no type of review or over site?
    I never said that McChrystal's plan is 100% flawless, because, there's no such thing as a 100% flawless battle plan. However, McChrystal's plan is more credible tha anyone else's, because he has first hand knowledge of the situation.




    So he's not required to make sure his field commanders are doing their job correctly and efficiently before proving them their every request?

    If they're not doing their job, then he should relieve them of their commands., however that's not a prerequisit to get vital information from the chain of command. They're not trick ponies dancing on their hind legs for a reward.
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post

    What qualifies the president to second guess his theater commander? He's persident? Is that all?
    His appointment as CinC by the U.S. Constitution! (everyone else gets that but you...so I'm done on this thread with you)
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    His appointment as CinC by the U.S. Constitution!
    Um, don't you mean his, "election", to that position? He got elected because he sold a better line of BS in the campaign, not because he's neccessarily qualified to override the decisions of the ground commanders that he appointed. There's a chain of command for a reason.

    (everyone else gets that but you...so I'm done on this thread with you)
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Um, don't you mean his, "election", to that position? He got elected because he sold a better line of BS in the campaign, not because he's neccessarily qualified to override the decisions of the ground commanders that he appointed. There's a chain of command for a reason.
    So your idea of "chain of command" is the requirement of commanding officers to fulfill their subordinates requests without question? I thought the command went down, not up?
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