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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The Chief of Staff of the army is not credible? The SecDef is not credible? The JCS is not credible? That is where the debate is taking place now.
    Not as credible as the theater commander. Are you claiming that they know more about the actual situation on the ground than the theater commander? Who could possibly know more about the theater of operations than the actual commander of that theater? No one, that's who.

    They put McChrystal in command, it's their job to support him and trust his evaluation of the current situation.
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

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    Not as credible as the theater commander. Are you claiming that they know more about the actual situation on the ground than the theater commander? Who could possibly know more about the theater of operations than the actual commander of that theater? No one, that's who.

    They put McChrystal in command, it's their job to support him and trust his evaluation of the current situation.
    Are you claiming that McChrystal knows more about the overall strategic situation than the others? Are you claiming that he is not keeping all those people fully briefed?
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Are you claiming that McChrystal knows more about the overall strategic situation than the others?
    Does the theater commander know more about the over strategic situation in Afghanistan than the others? You bet that's what I'm claiming. You're going to be hard pressed to prove otherwise.

    Are you claiming that he is not keeping all those people fully briefed?
    Sure he has kept them fully briefed and he has informed them that he wants more troops on the ground. So, it sounds as they're second guessing their own ground commander with less information and actual perspective to go on. Bad move, IMO.
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

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    Does the theater commander know more about the over strategic situation in Afghanistan than the others? You bet that's what I'm claiming. You're going to be hard pressed to prove otherwise.
    No, the overall strategic situation, ie including beyond Afghanistan. For example, one reported point of debate on the troop request is the effect sending those forces will have on the readiness of the military overall. Over deployment has huge negatives associated with it as one example.



    Sure he has kept them fully briefed and he has informed them that he wants more troops on the ground. So, it sounds as they're second guessing their own ground commander with less information and actual perspective to go on. Bad move, IMO.
    Those people he is keeping informed have all his information, and more information to make a decision with. They have chosen not to yet. Just one example: are there political situations that would result in a higher chance of success with a change in strategy in Afghanistan? Is a possible change in strategy in Afghanistan going to change force level requirements, and force makeup requirements?
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    No, the overall strategic situation, ie including beyond Afghanistan. For example, one reported point of debate on the troop request is the effect sending those forces will have on the readiness of the military overall. Over deployment has huge negatives associated with it as one example.
    Now, you're speculating. Allow me to speculate, PBO is trying to figure out what's going to be better for his political career, deploy more troops, or not.


    Those people he is keeping informed have all his information, and more information to make a decision with. They have chosen not to yet. Just one example: are there political situations that would result in a higher chance of success with a change in strategy in Afghanistan?
    Battles are won on the battlefield, not in the political arena. If we're going to destroy the enemy, we have to put troops in the field to engage him and destroy him, preferably on his own ground.

    Is a possible change in strategy in Afghanistan going to change force level requirements, and force makeup requirements?
    Sure, that's possible, but unless they're going to fight a completely assymetrical battle on the enemy's terms, I can't imagine what change in strategy would require fewer troops, other than a totally defensive strategy that is meant to end with a complete withdrawel and no attempt to destroy the enemy. Defensive strategies have never worked before, so itwould be a bad idea to do so now. Care to speculate on what strategic changes might be made that would require fewer troops?

    If it were me calling the shots, I would plan division level operations to go into the enemy's territory and take the fight straight to him and destroy him with overwhelming combat power. That's just me.
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    The lives and well being of our soldiers is NOT a priority for the left or even worthy of consideration. That is why there has been no action from the administration.

    Our president hates the military as do all leftists. That is why they are incapable of leading the free world and insist on dragging us into a totalitarian marxist regime were they feel comfortable in their self-loathing, narcissism.

    They consider anyone that didn't attend Harvard expendable and just wish they'd DIE QUICKLY!

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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Which is why, of course, when the 50% increase in troop strength he ordered wasn't enough to put a dent in the situation, he stopped to think about what to do next.

    Because he hates the military and wants it to die.

    Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Which is why, of course, when the 50% increase in troop strength he ordered wasn't enough to put a dent in the situation, he stopped to think about what to do next.

    Because he hates the military and wants it to die.

    Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
    If that's the case, then it doesn't take a genius to figure out what to do next.
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Did you miss my sarcasm, or are you saying the right thing to do is obvious?

    If it is the latter, mind sharing your inspration with the rest of the class?
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Did you miss my sarcasm, or are you saying the right thing to do is obvious?

    If it is the latter, mind sharing your inspration with the rest of the class?
    Maybe I missed the point. Care to expand?

    But, as to the latter, if a 50% increase isn't enough, then it's obvious that there needs to be a larger increase. Just common sense.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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