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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

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    The CIA trained them well, that much is true, but we ARE the CIA...we can beat them. It just takes time and blood.
    We won't do it right. We shouldn't do it at all. Save the blood. It might be mine or my buddy's.

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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The problem is that the military is divided on what they need, and what the right strategy is. Until the strategy going forward is known, troop level decisions are premature.



    This is incorrect, the head of the effort in Afghanistan is clear on what he wants.
    You should try to remember, ideas are conveyed by researching information, vetting sources, and confirming said information. Not by regurgitating talking points given to you by your "news" station.
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Insurgencies are defeated all the time. The strategy will work. It just won't usher in the results some of our politicians are looking for. Our leaders better be aware that this government we are supporting in Afghanistan is all there is ever going to be and that it will depend on us for a very long time.
    It is my understanding that this is a big part of what is being debated. Is the result going to be worth the effort? That is an important topic.
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    This is incorrect, the head of the effort in Afghanistan is clear on what he wants.
    As Commander of MNF-I, Gen. Casey didn't want the Surge and said it wouldn't work. Looks like he was wrong.

    Just because McChrystal wants something and has made a recommendation doesn't make it right. He's only been in command a few months.

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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I think the thing that alot of folks are missing, is that we're going up against the third generation, not the original guys that we trained. When you look at the speed at which we routed the Tallies, initially, they don't have the same skills that the Mujas had back in the 80s.
    Really? Read THIS

    Sounds like they are pretty combat-savvy.

    Just like their fathers.

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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It is my understanding that this is a big part of what is being debated. Is the result going to be worth the effort? That is an important topic.
    As recently as July, Obama called it a "must-win." Sounds like it's worth a considerable effort. Like, anything it takes, really.

    What's changed since July which would make it no longer a "must-win"?
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    Really? Read THIS

    Sounds like they are pretty combat-savvy.

    Just like their fathers.
    Nearly 300 Tallies attack an outpost, our troops are outnumbered and the enemy only manages to kill 8 soldiers. Not what I would call a highly successful attack on the part of the Tallies.

    Don't you mean their grandfathers? Most of the fighters in Afghanistan weren't even alive during the Soviet War.
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    So there is absolutely no evidence this woman, whom you called a slut, did this but you are ready to take someone's word as evidence. Guess you don't think witch hunts have to end when it's going after the certain people.

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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Nearly 300 Tallies attack an outpost, our troops are outnumbered and the enemy only manages to kill 8 soldiers. Not what I would call a highly successful attack on the part of the Tallies.
    They don't care about success in terms of body count. They care about audacity, which they have plenty of. Have you fought them?

    Don't you mean their grandfathers? Most of the fighters in Afghanistan weren't even alive during the Soviet War.
    Uh...wrong. It was twenty years ago. I think that many of the Taliban were kids then and remember their dads and maybe grandpa's fighting an occupying army.

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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    They don't care about success in terms of body count. They care about audacity, which they have plenty of. Have you fought them?
    They can have whatever perspective they wish, but reality is reality. If they lose more troops than we do, in every fight, then they can't win. No unconventional war has ever been successful without transitioning to a conventional strategy at some point. Even the North Vietnamese did it.



    Uh...wrong. It was twenty years ago. I think that many of the Taliban were kids then and remember their dads and maybe grandpa's fighting an occupying army.

    Well, I'm 40 and I was in grade school when the Soviets invaded. I'm betting that there aren't many 40 somethings in the Taliban. I turned 18 in 1987, so there are a few Tallies that were very small children during the war, but I believe they are the minority within the Taliban's ranks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    So there is absolutely no evidence this woman, whom you called a slut, did this but you are ready to take someone's word as evidence. Guess you don't think witch hunts have to end when it's going after the certain people.

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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They can have whatever perspective they wish, but reality is reality. If they lose more troops than we do, in every fight, then they can't win. No unconventional war has ever been successful without transitioning to a conventional strategy at some point. Even the North Vietnamese did it.
    Again, wrong. We killed millions of NVA and VC and still lost. Reality is reality, sir. So why did we respond to the "weak" Taliban attack by closing the Combat Outpost that was attacked? Looks like they made an impression.


    Well, I'm 40 and I was in grade school when the Soviets invaded. I'm betting that there aren't many 40 somethings in the Taliban. I turned 18 in 1987, so there are a few Tallies that were very small children during the war, but I believe they are the minority within the Taliban's ranks.
    So I'm right. And by the way, most of the Taliban leadership are Soviet war vets. You should know that from all those books you read.

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