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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    I'm not sure commiting another 10 brigades/regiments to pursue a strategy that won't work...

    Insurgencies are defeated all the time. The strategy will work. It just won't usher in the results some of our politicians are looking for. Our leaders better be aware that this government we are supporting in Afghanistan is all there is ever going to be and that it will depend on us for a very long time.

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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    From all the books you've read, you should have learned something:

    No one occupies AFG. They lose and go home. Who has had any success there with an occupation?

    I'm hardly an enemy propagandist believer...I'm a Realist.
    But nobody has ever occupied Afghanistan for the expressed goal of making it a temporary stay. We are not the Soviet Union and we are not looking to add to our turf. This is no secret even amongst our enemies. Our history shows that we have never kept any ground that we have occupied or conquered. Waiting out the Americans is easy for the enemy because eventually we will leave anyway.

    Our goal was never to occupy Afghanistan any longer than we had to. The Tali-Ban was beaten out of power and control. Al-Queda has been effectively destroyed on every level throughout the world. The only thing left is to leave.

    Leaving does not give our enemies a victory, though they will parade it as if it is. This is how pathetic our enemies are. But a constant barrage of steel will silence their false cries of victory long after we have left the Afghanistan waste land.

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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    From all the books you've read, you should have learned something:

    No one occupies AFG. They lose and go home. Who has had any success there with an occupation?

    I'm hardly an enemy propagandist believer...I'm a Realist.

    Just because no one has done it, doesn't mean it can't be done. No one had ever defeated the Japanese, either. No one had ever defeated the Soviets, before the US trained and armed a bunch of Asian hillbillies.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No one had ever defeated the Soviets, before the US trained and armed a bunch of Asian hillbillies.
    Funny you should mention that...

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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    Funny you should mention that...
    Not funny, at all. The Soviets were winning, before we showed up with modern arms and training. If not for US intervention, the Soviets would still be in Afghanistan.
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Not funny, at all. The Soviets were winning, before we showed up with modern arms and training. If not for US intervention, the Soviets would still be in Afghanistan.
    I agree. I mean, it's funny you mentioned that b/c it's who were are fighting now (or the offspring of). Kinda came back around to bite us.

    I think the Soviet definition of "winning" and ours are pretty catastrophically different.

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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Insurgencies are defeated all the time. The strategy will work.
    In fact, insurgencies usually are.
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    I agree. I mean, it's funny you mentioned that b/c it's who were are fighting now (or the offspring of). Kinda came back around to bite us.

    I think the Soviet definition of "winning" and ours are pretty catastrophically different.
    The CIA trained them well, that much is true, but we ARE the CIA...we can beat them. It just takes time and blood.

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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    I agree. I mean, it's funny you mentioned that b/c it's who were are fighting now (or the offspring of). Kinda came back around to bite us.

    I think the Soviet definition of "winning" and ours are pretty catastrophically different.
    Well, I'm sure everyone wishes that someone would have had a crystal ball back then, but no one did. That being said, the threat from AQ is nothing compared to the threat of the Soviets invading the Mid-East, possibly closing the Straits of Hormuz. After conquering Afghanistan, I doubt it would have been hard for the Russians to strike a deal with Iran, seeing how Iran was in the midst of a slug-fest with Iran at the same time and could have really used a friend, that had some serious firepower and trained ground troops.
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    The CIA trained them well, that much is true, but we ARE the CIA...we can beat them. It just takes time and blood.
    I think the thing that alot of folks are missing, is that we're going up against the third generation, not the original guys that we trained. When you look at the speed at which we routed the Tallies, initially, they don't have the same skills that the Mujas had back in the 80s.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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