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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The problem is that the military is divided on what they need, and what the right strategy is. Until the strategy going forward is known, troop level decisions are premature.
    They aren't as divided as people think.

    After 8 years of having their intelligence reports screened so as not to offend the politically correct nonesense coming out of the Clinton White House, our military leadership spent the next 7 years having their advice thrown in their face if it didn't agree with the idiocy of the Rumsfeld coven.

    Our military leadership is shell shocked from this. And it doesn't help that some of our higher military leaders are part politicians who would rather please our civilian leaders than speak on absolute truths. But from what I've read from the Pentagon and the field commanders is that we need more troops if we are to continue this fight in theatre. And from what I know of this culture, I agree.

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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    They aren't as divided as people think.

    After 8 years of having their intelligence reports screened so as not to offend the politically correct nonesense coming out of the Clinton White House, our military leadership spent the next 7 years having their advice thrown in their face if it didn't agree with the idiocy of the Rumsfeld coven.

    Our military leadership is shell shocked from this. And it doesn't help that some of our higher military leaders are part politicians who would rather please our civilian leaders than speak on absolute truths. But from what I've read from the Pentagon and the field commanders is that we need more troops if we are to continue this fight in theatre. And from what I know of this culture, I agree.
    Gunny,
    You and I are about on the same page. I'm not sure commiting another 10 brigades/regiments to pursue a strategy that won't work anyway is worth it. I would hate to see another guy die fight the Taliban, if that's not what we are going to end up doing.

    So a theater commander asked for more troops...is this really a surprise. These guys don't stay in to be 4-stars because they are good-hearted. They are ultra-ambitious, as well. Casey didn't in Iraq, because he didn't believe in the war, IMO. This is now McChrystal's war and he wants to win...he has a legacy to write in the history books. But what he wants may not be feasible or even necessary...is that worth ten more brigades/regiments deploying to root out taliban? I'm not so sure...

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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    Gunny,
    You and I are about on the same page. I'm not sure commiting another 10 brigades/regiments to pursue a strategy that won't work anyway is worth it. I would hate to see another guy die fight the Taliban, if that's not what we are going to end up doing.

    So a theater commander asked for more troops...is this really a surprise. These guys don't stay in to be 4-stars because they are good-hearted. They are ultra-ambitious, as well. Casey didn't in Iraq, because he didn't believe in the war, IMO. This is now McChrystal's war and he wants to win...he has a legacy to write in the history books. But what he wants may not be feasible or even necessary...is that worth ten more brigades/regiments deploying to root out taliban? I'm not so sure...
    We can win, it'll just take a long time and some guts.

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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    So you agree that since we will be leaving one of these days....Why not tomorrow & save some GI lives?
    If he's not going to give them the resources they need, then that's exactly what we should do. I think it will be a monumental mistake and we'll be going back in a few years, but hopefully when the next president is forced to send troops back to Afghanistan, he'll be smart enough to let the military do it's job.
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If he's not going to give them the resources they need, then that's exactly what we should do.
    Exactly,we should either go all in or all out....Not this halfarse nonsense going on now.
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucky View Post
    Exactly,we should either go all in or all out....Not this halfarse nonsense going on now.
    That's right. If it's jsut going to be a dog-n-pony show, we need to pack our **** and haul ass. PBO can wear his crown of shame for the rest of his one and only term.
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    We can win, it'll just take a long time and some guts.
    I don't think so, man. This isn't Iraq. It's so much different.

    The terrain...the diverse populace and advanced multi-ethnic tribalism, the Kinetics are harder, the GOVT Corruption is worse, More rural areas to cover, lack of NATO support..etc, etc.

    I was for the Surge in Iraq because I knew we could do it. I honestly don't think we can do this. We don't have the resources available right now or the political or national will to do it.

    You know, the Taliban say:

    You Americans have all the watches, but we have all the time.

    They are right, I'm sorry to say.
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    I don't think so, man. This isn't Iraq. It's so much different.

    The terrain...the diverse populace and advanced multi-ethnic tribalism, the Kinetics are harder, the GOVT Corruption is worse, More rural areas to cover, lack of NATO support..etc, etc.

    I was for the Surge in Iraq because I knew we could do it. I honestly don't think we can do this. We don't have the resources available right now or the political or national will to do it.

    You know, the Taliban say:

    You Americans have all the watches, but we have all the time.

    They are right, I'm sorry to say.

    It isn't winnable, as long as folks continue to buy into the enemy propaganda.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It isn't winnable, as long as folks continue to buy into the enemy propaganda.
    From all the books you've read, you should have learned something:

    No one occupies AFG. They lose and go home. Who has had any success there with an occupation?

    I'm hardly an enemy propagandist believer...I'm a Realist.

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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    I don't think so, man. This isn't Iraq. It's so much different.

    The terrain...the diverse populace and advanced multi-ethnic tribalism, the Kinetics are harder, the GOVT Corruption is worse, More rural areas to cover, lack of NATO support..etc, etc.

    I was for the Surge in Iraq because I knew we could do it. I honestly don't think we can do this. We don't have the resources available right now or the political or national will to do it.

    You know, the Taliban say:

    You Americans have all the watches, but we have all the time.

    They are right, I'm sorry to say.
    You're right. We don't have the political will to accomplish this, and that's a big reason why we don't have the national will to accomplish it either.

    Defeatist cry-babies have done more to prolong these wars than the enemy ever could have.

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