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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Ill have to do it later it is time for me to make dinner and I need to go to the store and get some stuff.
    Ok, cool. We'll be patiently waiting. I have to go fight with my kids and explain to them why they can't have gumbo for supper.
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    So there is absolutely no evidence this woman, whom you called a slut, did this but you are ready to take someone's word as evidence. Guess you don't think witch hunts have to end when it's going after the certain people.

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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Leadership is not a Hollywood movie.
    Yeah. No ****ing ****. I think you'll find that this criticism of Obama boils down exactly to the fact that HE is treating the Presidency as though it IS a Hollywood movie and he's the star.
    It's not "tolerance" if you already approve of what you purport to "tolerate."

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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I don't know the exact dynamics of the battlespace. I don't have a crystal ball and can't tell you that McChrystal's plan is full-proof. What I do know, is that most experienced and most successful counter-insurgency leaders that the United States military has are opting for a new plan. They have more credibility than anyone else. I also know two other things: 1) Doing nothing just ain't gonna work, period. 2) Sending more troops to the theater isn't going to have a negative affect. Now, combine all three of these things and there's no reason not to go ahead with McChrystal's plan.
    I'm not an advocate of doing nothing. But I'm not sure "doing something" is the answer. Is deploying more troops to execute a fledgling strategy really what we need? To execute a true COIN strategy, they need a hell of a lot more than 40K. I'm not sure we even have that many troops available right now, considering the only BCTs that can deploy there are Marines, "Light" Brigades and Strykers. Still a lot in Iraq right now.

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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

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    You have no standing.


    I already explained how I thought Bush I, did the same thing. I also explained, how those I know in Afghanistan are feeling. My position comes from my care and concern for our brothers and sisters in harms way. For you to go back down this line of attacks because I DARE critisize your guy, is what is low. And I suggest you pull it back... BN rules dictate I use the articles title. I did so. I then explained what my concerns are. Now I don't believe you to be of low intelligence, so I think your attacks on me are deliberate and considered. And that is most regrettable.



    I think his indecisivness is endangering the lives of our troops. YOu could care less about it. So don't try to turn this around on me that I am the one "using the troops" when it is you ignoring thier plight for your guy.
    If he takes so long that troops cannot get there when wanted, then you might have a point. 2 weeks is not taking too long.
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    I'm not an advocate of doing nothing. But I'm not sure "doing something" is the answer. Is deploying more troops to execute a fledgling strategy really what we need? To execute a true COIN strategy, they need a hell of a lot more than 40K. I'm not sure we even have that many troops available right now, considering the only BCTs that can deploy there are Marines, "Light" Brigades and Strykers. Still a lot in Iraq right now.
    The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs seems to think we have troops enough and they're just waiting for the president to issue marching orders.
    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    So there is absolutely no evidence this woman, whom you called a slut, did this but you are ready to take someone's word as evidence. Guess you don't think witch hunts have to end when it's going after the certain people.

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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Redress, if one of the consequences of indecision actually is that more soldiers are being killed, how is it out of line to point that out?

    Unfortunately, even if Obama is being 100% thoughtful and high-minded about all of this, he's is unquestionably giving the appearance of indecisiveness by doing all these other things while the decision still hangs in the air. And the appearance of indecisiveness is the appearance of weakness, and weakness emboldens the enemy.
    Again, taking the time to make a good decision is not just appropriate, it is ideal. Whether that is what is happening or not, neither you nor I know for sure. What we do know is that there is resistance within the pentagon over the additional troops, and that even the Chief of Staff of the Army is not 100 % for it. This suggests that the holdup might be in collecting and analyzing the thoughts of the advisers and military people Obama has to count on.
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Leadership is not a Hollywood movie.
    Tell that to Obama....He seems obsessed with being on the Hollywood talk show circuit.
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    If he takes so long that troops cannot get there when wanted, then you might have a point. 2 weeks is not taking too long.



    This is our disagreement, you stating I am exploitin g the troops is outside that disagreement, and uncalled for.
    You should try to remember, ideas are conveyed by researching information, vetting sources, and confirming said information. Not by regurgitating talking points given to you by your "news" station.
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Again, taking the time to make a good decision is not just appropriate, it is ideal. Whether that is what is happening or not, neither you nor I know for sure. What we do know is that there is resistance within the pentagon over the additional troops, and that even the Chief of Staff of the Army is not 100 % for it. This suggests that the holdup might be in collecting and analyzing the thoughts of the advisers and military people Obama has to count on.
    The time it takes is only one part of it. When he's off doing all these other things -- the TV appearances, the trips to Denmark, etc. -- he sends a signal that he's got other priorities, or that he's indecisive -- especially when his military commanders have NOT been, and have told him unequivocally what they need.

    Fair or not, that's what it looks like. And it looks like weakness. Enemies sensing weakness gets people killed.

    And it's not just the soldiers in Afghanistan which are put at risk. The sense of weakness and indecisiveness permeates everything else, too, so "tough talk" toward anyone seems hollow.

    So, yeah, he needs to step up, concentrate on the decision, and make it. And if it truly takes this long, then the midnight oil needs to be seen burning brightly in the Oval Office. Otherwise, he doesn't look serious.

    And, as I said, that's suicide.
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Again, taking the time to make a good decision is not just appropriate, it is ideal. Whether that is what is happening or not, neither you nor I know for sure. What we do know is that there is resistance within the pentagon over the additional troops, and that even the Chief of Staff of the Army is not 100 % for it. This suggests that the holdup might be in collecting and analyzing the thoughts of the advisers and military people Obama has to count on.
    The General says we need more troops or we're going to lose.

    The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs says we got enough troops.

    What's there to think about?

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