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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Okay they have proven themeselves then why have we been at war for eight years now? Like I said I will link to different views when I get home.
    They haven't won a complex counter-insurgency campaign in less than eight years!? They obviously don't know what's going on...

    Seriously, that is freakin dumb.

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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    They haven't won a complex counter-insurgency campaign in less than eight years!? They obviously don't know what's going on...

    Seriously, that is freakin dumb.
    Yeah an 8 year war is pretty dumb.

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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Redress, if one of the consequences of indecision actually is that more soldiers are being killed, how is it out of line to point that out?

    Unfortunately, even if Obama is being 100% thoughtful and high-minded about all of this, he's is unquestionably giving the appearance of indecisiveness by doing all these other things while the decision still hangs in the air. And the appearance of indecisiveness is the appearance of weakness, and weakness emboldens the enemy.


    Exactly. And to be called "exploitive" of the troops for voicing this, is abhorrent in my opinion.
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Exactly. And to be called "exploitive" of the troops for voicing this, is abhorrent in my opinion.
    And if a hasty decision gets more troops killed? or if publicizing plans gets more troops killed?

    Nah whomever it is as long as it a democrat you guys will whine and cry just like the left did with Bush. And that is probably more demoralizing to the troops than anything else.

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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    And if a hasty decision gets more troops killed? or if publicizing plans gets more troops killed?
    How long does he need? exactly?


    Nah whomever it is as long as it a democrat you guys will whine and cry just like the left did with Bush. And that is probably more demoralizing to the troops than anything else.



    What part of "I had the same problem with Bush I" and this sort of indecision are you guys not getting in order to misrepresent my position?
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    It's not about Democrats or Republicans, it's about leadership. Leadership involves more than just being oh so thoughtful. It means making it appear as though you know what you're doing. Even if he does, he doesn't look like he does. That's suicide.
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    How long does he need? exactly?
    I dunna know you tell me since you seem to know







    What part of "I had the same problem with Bush I" and this sort of indecision are you guys not getting in order to misrepresent my position?
    Personally I hoped I was wrong about Bush's strategy and the troops had all the success of coming home.

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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    It's not about Democrats or Republicans, it's about leadership. Leadership involves more than just being oh so thoughtful. It means making it appear as though you know what you're doing. Even if he does, he doesn't look like he does. That's suicide.
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    Listen, man; I take it you are at JRTC, so I know you have some knowledge. Let's be honest here; if McChrystal and Petraeus were serious about securing the Afghan populace, they should be asking for more troops than 40K. But they can't have them b/c many BCTs are in Iraq still, a war that I'm assuming you support. I'm not sure the same COIN strategy will work in AFG like it did in Iraq, which is what McChrystal is essentially advocating, if I read the memo right. For one, Iraq was easier because the LOC existed and were clear and easy for our leaders to access. Buying off the Sunnis was easy b/c they weren't the Taliban. Not even close, dude. I'm not sure if you've done a tour in AFG (I know 1st CAV has not), but I think the dynamic is so different and so much more difficult that any half-ass "surge" in AFG to implement a COIN strategy maybe a fruitless effort if it's not going to work...I understand it maybe the best we can do right now, but is it really worth it if we can't do it right?

    I don't know the exact dynamics of the battlespace. I don't have a crystal ball and can't tell you that McChrystal's plan is full-proof. What I do know, is that most experienced and most successful counter-insurgency leaders that the United States military has are opting for a new plan. They have more credibility than anyone else. I also know two other things: 1) Doing nothing just ain't gonna work, period. 2) Sending more troops to the theater isn't going to have a negative affect. Now, combine all three of these things and there's no reason not to go ahead with McChrystal's plan.




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    I don't think I would call exploiting the deaths of our soldiers to make a political point is "helping your country".
    Whose doing that?

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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

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    Whose doing that?

    Got those names for us, Winston?
    Ill have to do it later it is time for me to make dinner and I need to go to the store and get some stuff.

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