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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Not quite Rev......

    You did in fact inject your military experience when you presumed to attack the CinC for his military thinking when you said this in your OP:


    That would presume that you know better about military decision making than the CinC who has the advise of the Joint Chiefs, The Sec. of Defense & others at hand.

    You went on to say:






    Which can only be interpreted as you chastising the CinC's decision schedule as "Inexcusable"....when you have no way of knowing the info that he has gotten from his commanders & advisers, & alleging that he can't walk & chew gum at the same time. (Presidents are always required to juggle many important things.....at the same time, especially wartime Presidents)

    So I ask again, totally pertinent to your topic:
    Why should we accept your castigation of the CinC as you knowing better than the him & all his advisers combined?

    That's a fair question to ask you & not an attack.




    Do you think I am a fool?


    Why would you start attacking my service, only to say you are not, then to strawman me by claiming I used my service as a fallacy of appeal to authority argument to which I never made, to only the continue and say that my service does not make me an expert, and argument I never made?


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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Do you think I am a fool?


    Why would you start attacking my service, only to say you are not, then to strawman me by claiming I used my service as a fallacy of appeal to authority argument to which I never made, to only the continue and say that my service does not make me an expert, and argument I never made?


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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Do you think I am a fool?


    Why would you start attacking my service, only to say you are not, then to strawman me by claiming I used my service as a fallacy of appeal to authority argument to which I never made, to only the continue and say that my service does not make me an expert, and argument I never made?


    What a tangled web you weave, can you even follow it?
    So you simply will not answer a legitimate question based on a complaint about Obama which you raised on your thread??
    Resorting to distraction does not further your original complaints about Obama. How about just sticking to your topic?

    Why should we listen to you over our CinC? (maybe there are good reasons......Present them for us to evaluate.(I'm serious here & not trying to pick a fight with you. Your original post offered little but an emotional rant against Obama....Do you have some real arguments to present here?)
    Last edited by Devil505; 10-07-09 at 08:26 PM.

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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I have access to what McChrystal told the president and that Patreaus and Mullen support McChrystal's position.
    From JRTC?

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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    So you simply will not answer a legitimate question based on a complaint about Obama which you raised on your thread??
    Resorting to distraction does not further your original complaints about Obama. How about just sticking to your topic?

    Why should we listen to you over our CinC? (maybe there are good reasons......Present them for us to evaluate)



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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    So you simply will not answer a legitimate question based on a complaint about Obama which you raised on your thread??
    Resorting to distraction does not further your original complaints about Obama. How about just sticking to your topic?

    Why should we listen to you over our CinC? (maybe there are good reasons......Present them for us to evaluate.(I'm serious here & not trying to pick a fight with you. Your original post offered little but an emotional rant against Obama....Do you have some real arguments to present here?)

    You remind me of someone.

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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    You want me to play your games, I won't old man. You lied about me, attacked my service, and you built a mighty strawman.

    What makes you think I will engage your deception?

    OK...I tried......It's your thread & you started by attacking Obama & now you are attacking me with your "Old Man" BS again!

    Who do you think you are that no one is allowed to question your bona fides when you attack the CinC & won't provide unemotional reasons for it??

    This is a DEBATE forum...... not a "Take my word for it" forum.
    Last edited by Devil505; 10-07-09 at 08:33 PM.

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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    OK...I tried......It's your thread & you started by attacking Obama & now you are attacking me with your "Old Man" BS again!

    Who do you think you are that no one is allowed to question your bona fides when you attack the CinC & won't provide unemotional reasons for your reasons??

    This is a DEBATE forum...... not a "Take my word for it" forum.
    LOL This coming from a guy that will not answer questions.
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucky View Post
    I never did compare them apples to apples....In both cases though,the enemy is the same and both did'nt have the troop strength needed to win.






    Perhaps not,but I have a pretty good idea what is needed.
    The Soviets had close to half a million men in Afghanistan and still lost the war.

    The problem here is that the American people do not seem to be willing to make the kind of sacrifice that is needed to win there. It's pretty much the same with Iraq. Bush told us to go shopping, and Obama? He pretty much says nothing, which is just as bad. To win over there will take a huge sacrifice, and that message has to be made by our leaders. Whether it is Bush or Obama, nobody has led the American people, or talked honestly about what it would take. I also believe that, if a president talked honestly to the American people about what it takes to win, his party would lose big in the next election. Simply put, the American people are war weary, and IMHO, that IS the problem. That, along with the old adage "You can't fight a war on the cheap and expect to win", says it all.
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The Soviets had close to half a million men in Afghanistan and still lost the war.
    They never had more than 104,000 troops at any given time....Around 600,000 served through out the war.

    Soviet war in Afghanistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    The problem here is that the American people do not seem to be willing to make the kind of sacrifice that is needed to win there. It's pretty much the same with Iraq. Bush told us to go shopping, and Obama? He pretty much says nothing, which is just as bad. To win over there will take a huge sacrifice, and that message has to be made by our leaders. Whether it is Bush or Obama, nobody has led the American people, or talked honestly about what it would take. I also believe that, if a president talked honestly to the American people about what it takes to win, his party would lose big in the next election. Simply put, the American people are war weary, and IMHO, that IS the problem. That, along with the old adage "You can't fight a war on the cheap and expect to win", says it all.
    I cannot argue with the rest of what you say.
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