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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Then why shouldn't Truman have followed MacArthur's advise to drop A-bombs?

    I have already showed you that Truman was considering it all on his own.


    You say that Obama "should follow the advice of the military..".....which can be true in many cases but "Should" is too strong a word.
    No,we arent talking about dropping nuclear weapons here...We are talking about the need to control the tactical situation in Afghanistan.I seriously doubt Obama knows a damn thing about guerrilla warfare.
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Well, I guess I shouldn't expect any other response from someone who doesn't have access to any of the data the President does and who isn't ultimately responsible for the lives of tens of thousands of military personnel, much less the overall situation of an entire foreign nation.
    I have access to what McChrystal told the president and that Patreaus and Mullen support McChrystal's position. Whatelse is there to know?
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    It's not 17,000, it's 17,000 added to 36-odd thousand.
    The Soviet Union deployed 100,000 troops in Afghanistan throughout the 80's and never had enough troops to secure their lines of communication/supply and combat at the same time.They had enough troops to secure the major cities....the places where the war could'nt be won.

    53,000 American troops are not nearly enough for the task at hand,it is too small a force for a country as big as Afghanistan.


    That said, neither you nor I are qualified to say what is or is not enough to control the situation.
    As a ten year (and still counting) military veteran ,I would like to think I know a thing or two about this subject.
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I have access to what McChrystal told the president and that Patreaus and Mullen support McChrystal's position. Whatelse is there to know?
    That the guy who is responsible for the ultimate result of the final decision is taking the time to think about it.

    The fact that he didn't immediately give a "go" order suggests to me that there's more going on here than we're being allowed to see.

    Isn't that how it works in a war -- that there are lots of things going on that spectators aren't allowed to see?
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucky View Post
    The Soviet Union deployed 100,000 troops in Afghanistan throughout the 80's and never had enough troops to secure their lines of communication/supply and combat at the same time.They had enough troops to secure the major cities....the places where the war could'nt be won.

    53,000 American troops are not nearly enough for the task at hand,it is too small a force for a country as big as Afghanistan.
    The situation in Afghanistan today is not the situation in Afghanistan 20 years ago. I'm sorry, but you just can't compare them apples to apples.

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucky View Post
    As a ten year (and still counting) military veteran ,I would like to think I know a thing or two about this subject.
    I never said you didn't, but that still doesn't qualify you to say what is or is not enough to control the situation.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    That the guy who is responsible for the ultimate result of the final decision is taking the time to think about it.

    ]The fact that he didn't immediately give a "go" order suggests to me that there's more going on here than we're being allowed to see.


    Yeah, there's more going on alright. IMO, he's weighing the political scene and how his decision, either way, will effect his poll numbers.

    I think he's got his ass in a real crack. If he sends additional troops to the ATO, his base will have a hissy fit. If he doesn't, the rest of the country will lose all confidence in him. So, ultimately, he's trying to figure out which decision will get him more votes in 2012.

    Isn't that how it works in a war -- that there are lots of things going on that spectators aren't allowed to see?
    That's exactly how war works and if it weren't for the three top uniformed officers in the chain of command saying that more troops need to be sent to Afghanistan, I probably wouldn't have joined this discussion. However, the three top uniformed officers in the chain of command have expressed their needs to be successful and my opinion is that the time for discussion is over.
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    The situation in Afghanistan today is not the situation in Afghanistan 20 years ago. I'm sorry, but you just can't compare them apples to apples.
    How is it different? Care to explain in detail?



    I never said you didn't, but that still doesn't qualify you to say what is or is not enough to control the situation.
    What is, or isn't enough, is irrelevant. I would rather we send too many than not enough.
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Sorry, but I have an awfully hard time of using the word "only" when I think of 17,000 soldiers.
    That's because you're not able to think in the proper perspective.
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    The situation in Afghanistan today is not the situation in Afghanistan 20 years ago. I'm sorry, but you just can't compare them apples to apples.
    I never did compare them apples to apples....In both cases though,the enemy is the same and both did'nt have the troop strength needed to win.




    I never said you didn't, but that still doesn't qualify you to say what is or is not enough to control the situation.
    Perhaps not,but I have a pretty good idea what is needed.
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    From what you're saying, Rev, I guess I gave the average military grunt too much credit.



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