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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Let's reduce the hyperactive partisan hackery.


    Are you going to cry, when I treat you exactly the same way you are acting towards me? Again?


    December 6th, the Iraq Study Group proposes what would become the surge.

    Exactly 5 days later, Bush met to discuss the plan.

    January 10th the plan was announced. That's 35 days since the proposal. By then, over 200 US servicemen had died. By March, 2 months after the vanguard had been deployed, the results were not excepted, with large number of dead, May 2007 was the record of US troops lost for 2007. The last two brigades got there in April and May.

    By the time the violence started to decline, September 2007, almost 11 months had gone by. Probably more as the White House was likely aware of what the Iraq Study Group was working on for months.

    Also remember that the Surge itself was not the approximate cause of the turn in the war. The strategy was a radical shift away from seek and destroy to protecting local communities and having troops stay in those communities for extended periods of time as well as forming strong ties with the Awakening councils. Flooding the country with additional troops alone did not produce the results we wanted.

    Does Afghanistan have a workable strategy as well? Flooding the country with more troops after the blatant fraud in the recent election will not send a good sign to the Afghans.

    Iraq War troop surge of 2007 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    U.S. death toll in Iraq passes 3,000 - USATODAY.com


    So then if a surge is NOT the right plan, perhaps President not-a-decider, can pull em back and use drones... .

    Perhaps he can fit that between Leno and the olympics.
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    No, I say it when people appear to be putting partisanship over reasonableness. 5 days since the actual troop request was made, that has resistance from the pentagon, including from McChrystal's boss. The delay is not unreasonable. Suggesting he is more interested in Leno than this issue is dishonest and over the top partisanship.


    So Obama, had no idea, that McChrystal, his guy, was saying that we were in trouble until 5 days ago?


    You are being far more "over the top" partisan than I am.



    If Bush did this, galavanted all over the world ignoring higher priorities for the olympics and Leno, I'd be all over his poop as well, Like I was for example aggressivly and completley against his bailouts.


    Calling people "hyper-partisan", especially in the manner Obvious child, and you are reaching for, is simply an intellectually lacking tactic that is a highly transparent poor substitution for critical thinking on this issue for the sake of "your guy"....
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    One thing to understand is that General Casey, the Chief of Staff of the Army, is reportedly either "concerned" or against the plan. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/27/wo...litary.html?em
    "George W. Casey Jr., the Army chief of staff, who worry about the capacity to provide more soldiers at a time of stress on the force, officials said."

    It doesnt say he is against sending more troops.


    Concern about being over stretched are a bit over done now that we are withdrawing troops from Iraq.
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    No, I say it when people appear to be putting partisanship over reasonableness.
    Like that from the left that started the day GWB invaded Iraq...?

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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Which is more inportant to Obama the olympics or US troops. There has been a request for reinforcments and a plea that we are going to lose this war id this requirment is not met.


    It would be one thing for the CiC to say "no", but to do 50 or so interviews and leno, then run off to take credit for getting the olympics while troops are dying waiting for an answer?


    Inexcusable, just when you think this guy can't get any worse. Shame on him.







    pathetic. simply pathetic.

    The war in Afghanistan is probably the most important topic in the USA, along with the financial crisis, but Obama isn't only a "minister of war". He can't work only about Afghanistan.

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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    The war in Afghanistan is probably the most important topic in the USA, along with the financial crisis, but Obama isn't only a "minister of war". He can't work only about Afghanistan.



    He can at least spend as much time talking to the General he picked, ans he spent with Leno.
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    As long as this is a hyper-partisan thread, here's the way I see the GOP anti-Dem...anti-Obama ...strategy working:



    If Obama takes his time to consider a goal for sending in new troops............. the GOP attacks him for dragging his feet & not supporting our gallant fighting men.

    If Obama sennt in troops immediately......the GOP would attack him for not having a clear strategy & wasting the lives of more of our gallant fighting men.

    Get it now? (they want to bring Obama down...whether the battle is Health Care, The Economy or Wars. The GOP wants its power back!....but we voters are supposed to be to stupid to see through their "Ham Handed" BS......& yeah.....I believe their BS saying..." We know we blew through money like there was no tomorrow when we were in power but..........We're better now....We Promise!!....Things will be different next time!!!...It wasn't our fault!!....)
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    He can at least spend as much time talking to the General he picked, ans he spent with Leno.
    it would have made a difference? Would less soldiers have died?

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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    As long as this is a hyper-partisan thread, here's the way I see the GOP anti-Dem...anti-Obama ...strategy working:



    If Obama takes his time to consider a goal for sending in new troops............. the GOP attacks him for dragging his feet & not supporting our gallant fighting men.

    If Obama sennt in troops immediately......the GOP would attack him for not having a clear strategy & wasting the lives of more of our gallant fighting men.

    Get it now? (they want to bring Obama down...whether the battle is Health Care, The Economy or Wars. The GOP wants its power back!....but we voters are supposed to be to stupid to see through their "Ham Handed" BS......& yeah.....I believe their BS saying..." We know we blew through money like there was no tomorrow when we were in power but..........We're better now....We Promise!!....Things will be different next time!!!...It wasn't our fault!!....)




    If he decided to pull em out and use drones, I'd be happier than him dragging his feet.

    IF he sent them in immediatly, I would support it 100%


    I'd be happy if he decided.


    Though, I am not a "GOP"
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    it would have made a difference? Would less soldiers have died?



    At least they would have died knowing what the mission was. Right now, they are in limbo, while he "Decides" what to do.


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