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43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforcemen

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American said:
Bush got nailed for reading a book to a school class.
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And it was stupid to do so. Sometimes people on the left bitch about stupid things, sometimes people on the right do. Guess which is the case this time.
 
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Redress said:
And it was stupid to do so. Sometimes people on the left bitch about stupid things, sometimes people on the right do. Guess which is the case this time.
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Yes its stupid to bitch about troops having to wait until obama gets his chicago olympics head out of his ass to decide what the freaking mission is.


Your priorities are abhorrent in defense of your God King/.
 
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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Yes its stupid to bitch about troops having to wait until obama gets his chicago olympics head out of his ass to decide what the freaking mission is.


Your priorities are abhorrent in defense of your God King/.
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Bull****. There is no evidence that any delay in Obama making a large decision with possible large implications has anything to do with going to lobby for the Olympics.

Your suggestion that I would defend Obama over our troops is vile and disgusting.
 
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Redress said:
Bull****. There is no evidence that any delay in Obama making a large decision with possible large implications has anything to do with going to lobby for the Olympics.
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His actions ae clear evidence where his priorities lay.


Your suggestion that I would defend Obama over our troops is vile and disgusting.
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If the gloves fit....


You are doing exactly that. You as a vet should be getting pissed about this as I and many others are including other libs and centrists....


IF you find it vile, ask yourself why am I suggesting this. Is it to get you? (nah, I like you), or is it because you are showing signs of excuse making for your God King, and at the same time, putting him above the troops.
 
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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
His actions ae clear evidence where his priorities lay.
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Wrong again. All you are claiming he has done has taken a small portion of his time. he can do more than one thing at once, just as Bush could lead the country while on vacation. This bitch is nothing different than the bitch about Bush's vacations.




If the gloves fit....


You are doing exactly that. You as a vet should be getting pissed about this as I and many others are including other libs and centrists....


IF you find it vile, ask yourself why am I suggesting this. Is it to get you? (nah, I like you), or is it because you are showing signs of excuse making for your God King, and at the same time, putting him above the troops.
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If I felt you had any evidence to support your position, if I felt that Obama was not working for the best interest of the country or the troops, I would be right there bitching with you. Love of our military is not something I believe should superseded by partisanship. I think you are wrong in your premise, which does not make me care for our troops any less, and I am extremely pissed you would even make that accusation. I don't get actually pissed often about things said on this board, but that really does it.
 
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Redress said:
Wrong again. All you are claiming he has done has taken a small portion of his time. he can do more than one thing at once, just as Bush could lead the country while on vacation. This bitch is nothing different than the bitch about Bush's vacations.






If I felt you had any evidence to support your position, if I felt that Obama was not working for the best interest of the country or the troops, I would be right there bitching with you. Love of our military is not something I believe should superseded by partisanship. I think you are wrong in your premise, which does not make me care for our troops any less, and I am extremely pissed you would even make that accusation. I don't get actually pissed often about things said on this board, but that really does it.
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Let me ask you then. If this pisses you off, how do you thnk I feel when you suggested I was using the troops to feign outrage over Obama?

I am not just some internet pogue fighting for a political party. I am a Veteran, a combat veteran at that. I have strong feelings about these things no matter who's doing the fiddling.


Stop and think about it. Then lets continue.
 
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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Let me ask you then. If this pisses you off, how do you thnk I feel when you suggested I was using the troops to feign outrage over Obama?

I am not just some internet pogue fighting for a political party. I am a Veteran, a combat veteran at that. I have strong feelings about these things no matter who's doing the fiddling.


Stop and think about it. Then lets continue.
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Let's look at the title of this thread: "43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforcements" The use of the number dead is an emotional appeal. It is no different than using the number of troops who died while Bush was on vacation, which was an equally bad assertion.
 
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Redress said:
Let's look at the title of this thread: "43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforcements" The use of the number dead is an emotional appeal. It is no different than using the number of troops who died while Bush was on vacation, which was an equally bad assertion.
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wait, did I use that, or did forum rules dictate I use that as the title?



But, again, lets get back to what pissed us off. You made a claim about me, that was wrong.


I later made a claim about you, that you say is wrong.


So lets do this and not assume that the others have political reasonings at the core of our positions.
 
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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
wait, did I use that, or did forum rules dictate I use that as the title?
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Touche, though in my defense I will point out that you have repeated the number several times.


But, again, lets get back to what pissed us off. You made a claim about me, that was wrong.


I later made a claim about you, that you say is wrong.


So lets do this and not assume that the others have political reasonings at the core of our positions.
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I will agree to this.
 
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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
wait, did I use that, or did forum rules dictate I use that as the title?
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There were dozens of news stories to choose from, you chose to use the most hyper-partisan among them.

I thought conservatives believed in personal responsibility. ... Take some.
 
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Joe1991 said:
There were dozens of news stories to choose from, you chose to use the most hyper-partisan among them.

I thought conservatives believed in personal responsibility. ... Take some.
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This is a lie on your part. Please, show some class.
 
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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
This is a lie on your part. Please, show some class.
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There have been a weeks worth of stories about McChrystal's assessment.

You chose to use a story with the most partisan provocation. Fact.
 
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Joe1991 said:
There have been a weeks worth of stories about McChrystal's assessment.

You chose to use a story with the most partisan provocation. Fact.
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Lie.


I picked the 1st one I saw. get over me critisizing your god king.
 
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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Lie.

I picked the 1st one I saw. get over me critisizing your god king.
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And "picking" is a choice. Fact.

And we all know Obama is not God, Morgan Freeman is.


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Joe1991 said:
And "picking" is a choice. Fact.

And we all know Obama is not God, Morgan Freeman is.


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I dont think obama is a kenyan or a ass humping crackhead. whats your point?
 
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You keep crying "hyper-partisan" in every thread that critisizes your king.
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It's a worn out but valid criticism.

Stop it. it's laughable.
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Only if the complaint is reasonable. Make reasonable objections and you won't be called hyper-partisan.


"On August 30, Gen. Stanley McChrystal sent Defense Secretary Robert Gates a war assessment in which he said more U.S. troops--and a new U.S. strategy--are needed if the U.S. is to defeat the insurgents in Afghanistan"




you think that if we may be losing a war, he would get on it..... top priority.
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The war can't be prioritized any higher.

He is not giving iraq or afghanistan the same priority he is giving leno.
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Commander-and-chief is only one function of his office. George Bush's difficulty in comprehending that was one of the hallmark failings of his presidency. Any bureaucratic or logistical work the executive branch can do relating to the war is already being done. Your failure to incorporate that into your understanding of Obama's doings makes your complaint unreasonable, and therefore hyper-partisan.
 
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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Are you going to cry, when I treat you exactly the same way you are acting towards me? Again?
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Interesting view on history you got there. I didn't make ridiculously snide comments meant to insult your intelligence and not discuss the actual subject. All I did was point out that the Surge took five days before Dubya meet with anyone. I see you did not want to discuss this.

Interesting how you think getting your rear handed to you repetitively equates to me crying.

So then if a surge is NOT the right plan, perhaps President not-a-decider, can pull em back and use drones.
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Perhaps you are unaware of the associated costs?

You are a hyperpartisan hack because you give Obama **** for things you never gave Bush **** for. Notice how you completely ignored my entire post.

Treating one party differently for doing the same thing you refuse to criticize your party for is by definition hypocrisy. Making stupid **** like this into mountains is by definition partisan hackery.

Bush took 5 days before he talked to the generals. Why didn't you criticize him then?

If you don't want to be labeled a hack, don't engage in hackery. It's real simple.

But I digress. Ethereal is completely, 100% correct in this post:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/off-topic-discussion/57105-partisan-hackery-4.html#post1058282723

And I shall be following his advice. Good day.
 
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obvious Child said:
Interesting view on history you got there. I didn't make ridiculously snide comments meant to insult your intelligence and not discuss the actual subject. All I did was point out that the Surge took five days before Dubya meet with anyone. I see you did not want to discuss this.

Interesting how you think getting your rear handed to you repetitively equates to me crying.



Perhaps you are unaware of the associated costs?

You are a hyperpartisan hack because you give Obama **** for things you never gave Bush **** for. Notice how you completely ignored my entire post.

Treating one party differently for doing the same thing you refuse to criticize your party for is by definition hypocrisy. Making stupid **** like this into mountains is by definition partisan hackery.

Bush took 5 days before he talked to the generals. Why didn't you criticize him then?

If you don't want to be labeled a hack, don't engage in hackery. It's real simple.

But I digress. Ethereal is completely, 100% correct in this post:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/off-topic-discussion/57105-partisan-hackery-4.html#post1058282723

And I shall be following his advice. Good day.
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Awesome, your mouth wrote another check you can't cash. you got what you gave, now you want to take your ball and go home. Don't let the door hit ya! :2wave:



As for the thread and your post, it's moronic. it's been 70 days since Obama had contact. it has been known that more troops were needed. Obama has been absent on afghanistan who he claimed was forgotten about and he would make it a top priority.


Please list the main issues he is putting below Afghanistan,.
 
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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Awesome, your mouth wrote another check you can't cash. you got what you gave, now you want to take your ball and go home. Don't let the door hit ya! :2wave:



As for the thread and your post, it's moronic. it's been 70 days since Obama had contact. it has been known that more troops were needed. Obama has been absent on afghanistan who he claimed was forgotten about and he would make it a top priority.


Please list the main issues he is putting below Afghanistan,.
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Not accurate. Troops have been requested. Whether they are required is opinion, and there is disagreement on that opinion.
 
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Joe1991 said:
I believe Bush took about 5 years to change strategies in Iraq, I'm gonna give Obama more than 5 days.
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So his top general begged him for five years, and then he finally relented?
 
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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
His actions ae clear evidence where his priorities lay.






If the gloves fit....


You are doing exactly that. You as a vet should be getting pissed about this as I and many others are including other libs and centrists....


IF you find it vile, ask yourself why am I suggesting this. Is it to get you? (nah, I like you), or is it because you are showing signs of excuse making for your God King, and at the same time, putting him above the troops.
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Pure partisan BS.:thumbdown
 
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Redress said:
Not accurate. Troops have been requested. Whether they are required is opinion, and there is disagreement on that opinion.
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The theater commander says he needs them. That's purdy much the only credible opinion needed to make the decision to send the additional forces.
 
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American said:
So his top general begged him for five years, and then he finally relented?
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Generals work for the POTUS in this country. They are simply advisers amongst many other advisers a POTUS listens too.
 
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apdst said:
The theater commander says he needs them. That's purdy much the only credible opinion needed to make the decision to send the additional forces.
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The Chief of Staff of the army is not credible? The SecDef is not credible? The JCS is not credible? That is where the debate is taking place now.
 
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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Which is more inportant to Obama the olympics or US troops. There has been a request for reinforcments and a plea that we are going to lose this war id this requirment is not met.
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False dilemma. If we see Obama lobbying for Chicago, that doesn't mean he isn't doing anything else.

Reverend_Hellh0und said:
It would be one thing for the CiC to say "no", but to do 50 or so interviews and leno, then run off to take credit for getting the olympics while troops are dying waiting for an answer?
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Either troop strength isn't the only problem, or it isn't even the problem to begin with, since things haven't dramatically improved since he increased our troop strength there by 50%.

Given that, it would be irresponsible in the extreme for him to simply order that more troops be sent in without taking the time to think about the situation. If he did so simply because his general asked for the men, and in so doing got more Americans killed without any appreciable gains, that blood would be on his hands.

Giving your general on the ground everything he wants isn't your job as President. We have a military which is controlled by a civillian for a reason.
 
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