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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    When the fouding fathers were looking for someone to make miltiary decisions, who did they turn to? It sure as hell wasn't a lawyer with zero military experience.
    Is the POTUS CinC or not?

    Is there anyone above him to make decisions for this country? (military or not)

    Didn't someone once call his job "The Decider?"

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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    That the President makes the decision is not the question. That's a blatant strawman.
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Two reasons.

    We felt the same way when Bush I wasn't sure if we were going into Bagdhad or not.

    #2, from people I know in Afghanistan which is the impetus for my recent tirades on this topic.
    Well, this isn't Iraq, Obama isn't Bush, and anecdotal evidence, while it can certainly inspire, doesn't qualify as evidence.


    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Do you think they just accept that or do you think they do that critical thinking sometimes?
    I assume that they think critically about their situation. I also assume that they don't need strategic details any more than, say, I do.

    I guess I thought that your average military grunt, with all the training and discipline that comes with being a grunt, would be better equipped to think about and judge the situation better than your average armchair quarterback.

    As such, I figured they'd be less susceptible to the media-generated hysteria over the situation -- that they'd know that there's nothing wrong with the fact that Obama isn't communicating regularly with the general, that they'd expect him to need to rethink his strategy after a 50% increase in troops didn't get the job done, that they'd appreciate the extra thought the President is putting into what is a matter of life and death for them, that they wouldn't assume that he's not dealing with the situation simply because he's not having a meeting with the SecDef in front of a camera.

    From what you're saying, Rev, I guess I gave the average military grunt too much credit.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    That the President makes the decision is not the question. That's a blatant strawman.
    Then what is the question here??? (characterization of someone else's post is not needed or helpful to the discussion)
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Is the POTUS CinC or not?

    Is there anyone above him to make decisions for this country? (military or not)

    Didn't someone once call his job "The Decider?"
    You are missing the point....If you do not know what to do/what you are doing you should follow the advice of those that do....In this case the military brass.
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    When the fouding fathers were looking for someone to make miltiary decisions, who did they turn to? It sure as hell wasn't a lawyer with zero military experience.
    He doesn't need military experience. That's what he's got advisors and the Joint Chiefs of Staff for.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Is the POTUS CinC or not?
    Does that make him God, or not? Is the POTUS king of the country, or not?

    Is there anyone above him to make decisions for this country? (military or not)
    Above him? Technically, no. Is his authority endless and beyond question? A resounding, no.

    Didn't someone once call his job "The Decider?"

    Then, PBO needs to make a decision.
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    He doesn't need military experience. That's what he's got advisors and the Joint Chiefs of Staff for.
    We are talking about the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucky View Post
    You are missing the point....If you do not know what to do/what you are doing you should follow the advice of those that do....In this case the military brass.
    So Truman should have let MacArthur drop A-bombs on China in the 1950's?

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    Re: 43 U.S. Troops Have Died in Afghanistan Since Gen. McChrystal Called for Reinforc

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Then what is the question here???
    This:

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Which is more inportant to Obama the olympics or US troops. There has been a request for reinforcments and a plea that we are going to lose this war id this requirment is not met.


    It would be one thing for the CiC to say "no", but to do 50 or so interviews and leno, then run off to take credit for getting the olympics while troops are dying waiting for an answer?


    Inexcusable, just when you think this guy can't get any worse. Shame on him.







    pathetic. simply pathetic.
    Nowhere does he say it's not up to the President to make the decision.


    (characterization of someone else's post is not needed or helpful to the discussion)
    Sadly for you, this is wrong. If someone's post is a fallacy -- and a strawman certainly is -- then it's 100% legit to say so.

    And that's simply the way it is in a debate. You lose.
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