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    Re: Another song by school children praising Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I knew exactly what you meant (and that you'd make a point of it), but until those mechanisms are actually employed, there's no legal force.
    There's also no legal force employed when I send my bodacious biatches out streetwalking until the fur coat gives me away. Try again.

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    Re: Another song by school children praising Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    There's also no legal force employed when I send my bodacious biatches out streetwalking until the fur coat gives me away. Try again.
    Genius riposte.

    Your argument is the same as saying "if you don't pay your taxes, you will be shot."

    Which may be true, ultimately, but only after several leaps of escalation, which will almost certainly never happen.

    Would you like to point out instances of courts ordering children to church against their wishes? Or police escorting them their at their guardians' behest?
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    Re: Another song by school children praising Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Your argument is the same as saying "if you don't pay your taxes, you will be shot."

    Which may be true, ultimately, but only after several leaps of escalation, which will almost certainly never happen.

    Would you like to point out instances of courts ordering children to church against their wishes? Or police escorting them their at their guardians' behest?
    It's not, unless execution is an automatic mechanism for refusal to pay taxes, which it isn't. Conversely, refusal to attend church can be treated just as refusal to obey any other directives that the law defines as reasonable can be, and "delinquency" can be punished accordingly.

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    Re: Another song by school children praising Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    It's not, unless execution is an automatic mechanism for refusal to pay taxes, which it isn't. Conversely, refusal to attend church can be treated just as refusal to obey any other directives that the law defines as reasonable can be, and "delinquency" can be punished accordingly.
    There's no "automatic mechanism" for forcing a child to go to church against their wishes.
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    Re: Another song by school children praising Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    There's no "automatic mechanism" for forcing a child to go to church against their wishes.
    There's a mechanism for state treatment of "delinquent minors" who refuse to obey their parents' orders, which is the relevant point.

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    Re: Another song by school children praising Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    There's a mechanism for state treatment of "delinquent minors" who refuse to obey their parents' orders, which is the relevant point.
    It's not "automatic." And as I said, any instances of it being used to force kids to go to church?
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    Re: Another song by school children praising Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    It's not "automatic." And as I said, any instances of it being used to force kids to go to church?
    None that I know of. Any instances of conscription laws used to force draft resisters into a battlefield with a security escort?

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    Re: Another song by school children praising Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    None that I know of.
    Then no one's legally forced to go to church. (And parental authority is not the same as conscription.)
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    Re: Another song by school children praising Obama

    Exactly how would a parent "force" a child over the age of 12 or 13 to go to church?

    It's illegal to use physical force. The only LEGAL means that a parent would really have would be to deny privileges and/or entertainment. A really committed child would simply have to outlast their parent.

    The courts at this point in time aren't going to look kindly on parents depriving children of basic essentials and/or using physical force to enforce church attendance.

    Hollow argument, at best.

    BUT, if a parent removes their child from public school for a song of this nature, without making alternative educational arrangements AT THEIR OWN COST, the PARENT can be prosecuted by the state for contributing to the delinquency of a minor (truancy).

    ...The state has the power to enforce indoctrination at a far greater level than parents do.

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    Re: Another song by school children praising Obama

    There is nothing wrong with any of this. It happened with Bush, it happens with Obama. God forbid our children learn some civic pride. The smells like ****.
    It's time for a revolution in our country. Not a revolution forged with guns and bombs but a revolution forged of compassion and altruism. A revolution that extends a hand to those who don't have and who cannot. A revolution that makes Health Care available to all those in the US.

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