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    Re: Another song by school children praising Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Watch this:

    and tell me which is more scary.
    This happened in a church, with the consent of the parents involved, and was not funded by public tax dollars.

    I find that using my tax dollars to indoctrinate people, politically, is more offensive.

    Though, I will say that sections of this documentary took place in a church that is located in my hometown. So, I do understand your concerns. I've spent my entire life immersed in and surrounded by fundamentalism of one form or another.
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    Re: Another song by school children praising Obama

    plus it was during black history month

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    Re: Another song by school children praising Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Watch this:


    YouTube - Jesus Camp Extract Praise Bush

    and tell me which is more scary.
    The Obama-praising in school is much, much scarier, since it's happening right now, in the present, while Obama is President, and not George Bush. Just thought I'd clue you in.

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    Re: Another song by school children praising Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Badfish420 View Post
    plus it was during black history month
    A silly month, to be sure. I mean, when are we going to get a Scottish history month? I think I'm just as entitled to the recognition as blacks are.

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    Re: Another song by school children praising Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by The Baron View Post
    "You can't be both a communist and a Nazi. Nazism is a right wing political movement." - Morality Games

    No.

    Nazi (National Socialist German Workers Party) is a socialist, therefore, left-wing political movement.

    Communism is also a left-wing ideology.

    Both are responsible for the oppression and murder of millions and millions of their own people.

    These are both wonderful examples of how left-wing ideology is oppressive, totalitarian and savage.
    Your own sentiments are the incorrect ones, and are based on the unchallenged acceptance of self-descriptions from authoritarian political regimes, which would be laughably naive in the case of the Bolsheviks' claims to have established a German "Democratic Republic" in East Germany or a federal republic in the USSR. It should be no less ridiculous in the case of the acceptance of authoritarian political regimes' claims to be "socialist," which is a ploy used for populist reasons.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Churches are private organizations funded by private donations with a private ideological purpose. These are public schools, funded by public tax dollars, with a specific goal that is apolitical.

    You don't see the difference?
    That is the difference, and one that saves youth from excessive social or political indoctrination in schools. There is no such protection for them in church, which is certainly objectionable in the case of competent people who happen to be under 18 and are compelled to accept religious indoctrination anyway and probably objectionable even for younger incompetent people, as brainwashing experiences in early childhood will incline people to accept it a later time, rendering the process a self-justifying mechanism of sorts. The philosopher David Archard comments on the general subject of "paternalism which changes others so that they approve it. It thus brings about its own subsequent vindicatory consent. We could brainwash someone to think that the brainwashing was a good thing."

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Churches are entirely private, and no one's legally forced to go to one.
    No one that you'd acknowledge, but minors don't have the right to freely exercise their own religion, and can be legally compelled to attend religious services by their parents/guardians even in the case. This corrupts a relationship intended to have a basis in the protection of the immature into unjust authoritarianism applied to individuals who should have the right to worship or not worship as they choose. The nature of this hierarchical relationship can render it worse than state compulsion in some cases.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    A silly month, to be sure. I mean, when are we going to get a Scottish history month? I think I'm just as entitled to the recognition as blacks are.
    I wasn't aware that Scots constituted a race. Learn something new every day, I guess.

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    Re: Another song by school children praising Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    I wasn't aware that Scots constituted a race. Learn something new every day, I guess.
    Stop denigrating my heritage. Scottish people are and always have been an integral part of this nation. A month of recognition would help Americans understand the contributions and sacrifices Scottish people have made for this country.

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    Re: Another song by school children praising Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Stop denigrating my heritage. Scottish people are and always have been an integral part of this nation. A month of recognition would help Americans understand the contributions and sacrifices Scottish people have made for this country.
    In what manner is an ethnic group descended from a single nation akin to a race descended from an entire continent that has migrated elsewhere voluntarily or otherwise? More importantly, Scots, unlike blacks, were never the subject of such pervasive discriminatory state policy that a unique Scottish-American culture developed to the same extent, nor even to the same extent that the Irish and Italians were.

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    Re: Another song by school children praising Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    In what manner is an ethnic group descended from a single nation akin to a race descended from an entire continent that has migrated elsewhere voluntarily or otherwise? More importantly, Scots, unlike blacks, were never the subject of such pervasive discriminatory state policy that a unique Scottish-American culture developed to the same extent, nor even to the same extent that the Irish and Italians were.
    So, the blacks are better than the Scots, eh!? Much more worthy of a month than us stupid Scots, right!? You should be ashamed of yourself for being so intolerant of other cultures.

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    Re: Another song by school children praising Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    So, the blacks are better than the Scots, eh!? Much more worthy of a month than us stupid Scots, right!? You should be ashamed of yourself for being so intolerant of other cultures.
    Well, the kilts are kind of queer. I hope you don't use those bagpipes for anything else.

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    Re: Another song by school children praising Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    The Obama-praising in school is much, much scarier, since it's happening right now, in the present, while Obama is President, and not George Bush. Just thought I'd clue you in.
    I find is rather odd and disengenous with all these complaints about Obama from people who sat (not surprisingly) silent when GWB was doing either the same things or worse.

    Leads me to believe that Carter was largely right in his assessment.
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