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    Re: What They Told Us: Reviewing Last Week’s Key Polls

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    Sorry, if he said he would spend trillions why are people mad at him? People are getting what they voted for (obviously unless you didn't vote for him).
    I don't remember him saying he would spend trillions of dollars the Government doesn't have; I do remember the promises he and Democrats made to the American people in order to get the majority they now have; fiscally responsible, transparent and that they would not raise taxes on ANYONE who makes less than $250K and would pay as they go. Obama also promised that his programs would create 5,000,000 new high paying good jobs; so far we have lost about 2,650,000 with no end in sight.

    I would say that if anything, after 9 months of Obamanomics and almost three years of Democrat majorities in the House and Senate, their promises have been nothing more than one vast lie.

    We are currently looking at 10% unemployment with no end in sight, continuous negative GDP numbers with no end in sight and a $1.6 trillion deficit and all time high DEBT. Even wallowing in the deepest denial one cannot spin any of this as good.

    And meanwhile, Obama has sworn to go to war with the American people and cram Universal Healthcare down our throats spending more trillions he doesn't have; without even the slightest effort of an HONEST dialogue about who will pay for all this crap.

    Yep; this administration has so far NOT been a disappointment to those of us (like me) who warned that this "post turtle" lacked the honesty, the integrity, the spine, the experience and the economic knowledge to do a job that was way over his head to do.

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    Re: What They Told Us: Reviewing Last Week’s Key Polls

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    I never said we can't discuss it. Please quote me on where I said that, since you won't be able to I will keep going. I'm just saying why I think the poll turned out the way it did. Stop trying to make it more than it is, your so desperate.
    You said people can't oppose it because they don't know what the final bill will include. The people opposing it are voicing their opinion and discussing their disagreement with each other and their representatives.

    Do you think people should discuss it, but not voice their disapproval of parts???

    Your statements are getting more desperate.

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    Re: What They Told Us: Reviewing Last Week’s Key Polls

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I don't remember him saying he would spend trillions of dollars the Government doesn't have; I do remember the promises he and Democrats made to the American people in order to get the majority they now have; fiscally responsible, transparent and that they would not raise taxes on ANYONE who makes less than $250K and would pay as they go. Obama also promised that his programs would create 5,000,000 new high paying good jobs; so far we have lost about 2,650,000 with no end in sight.

    I would say that if anything, after 9 months of Obamanomics and almost three years of Democrat majorities in the House and Senate, their promises have been nothing more than one vast lie.

    We are currently looking at 10% unemployment with no end in sight, continuous negative GDP numbers with no end in sight and a $1.6 trillion deficit and all time high DEBT. Even wallowing in the deepest denial one cannot spin any of this as good.

    And meanwhile, Obama has sworn to go to war with the American people and cram Universal Healthcare down our throats spending more trillions he doesn't have; without even the slightest effort of an HONEST dialogue about who will pay for all this crap.

    Yep; this administration has so far NOT been a disappointment to those of us (like me) who warned that this "post turtle" lacked the honesty, the integrity, the spine, the experience and the economic knowledge to do a job that was way over his head to do.
    Didn't Obama vote for the stimulus? That means he supported trillions of dollars of spending.

    What do you think is a sign of the economy improving?
    -The housing market is doing better
    -The stock market is doing better
    -I didn't know the umeployment rate and debt could be turned around in nine months but I guess you think it can happen.

    And I wasn't aware income tax was raided for people making $250,000 or less.

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    Re: What They Told Us: Reviewing Last Week’s Key Polls

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    Please enlighten me then. If the president gets 51% of the popular vote then it would take several electoral votes to go opposite of how their population voted to not have him elected and only people who to end their political career will go against their population. Please point on an election where the president got 51% of the popular vote but lost the electoral college vote.
    The 2000 election was a testimony that the popular vote doesn't always translate to electoral votes. It is rare that any Presidential candidate even gets 51% of the vote.

    The best example of this math is the 1980 election where Reagan only garnered 50.7% of the popular vote but won a landslide of 489 electoral votes to Carters 49.

    United States presidential election, 1980 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Gore had a higher percentage of the popular vote in 2000 but lost the election by 5 electoral votes.

    United States presidential election, 2000 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    States choose the President through the electoral process; which gives smaller lower population states fair representation for those of you from Blue States relying on the Public Education system. The notion that 51% popularity polls would translate to a majority support of policies is bizarre in my opinion.


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    Re: What They Told Us: Reviewing Last Week’s Key Polls

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    You said people can't oppose it because they don't know what the final bill will include. The people opposing it are voicing their opinion and discussing their disagreement with each other and their representatives.

    Do you think people should discuss it, but not voice their disapproval of parts???

    Your statements are getting more desperate.
    You don't read very well do you. I said it's unlikely for people to support every Healthcare bill proposed. That's all I said; I never said people can't discuss it.

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    Re: What They Told Us: Reviewing Last Week’s Key Polls

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    The 2000 election was a testimony that the popular vote doesn't always translate to electoral votes. It is rare that any Presidential candidate even gets 51% of the vote.

    The best example of this math is the 1980 election where Reagan only garnered 50.7% of the popular vote but won a landslide of 489 electoral votes to Carters 49.

    United States presidential election, 1980 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Gore had a higher percentage of the popular vote in 2000 but lost the election by 5 electoral votes.

    United States presidential election, 2000 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    States choose the President through the electoral process; which gives smaller lower population states fair representation for those of you from Blue States relying on the Public Education system. The notion that 51% popularity polls would translate to a majority support of policies is bizarre in my opinion.

    You failed to point out an election where a President won 51% of the popular vote and lost the electoral college. That's all I asked for; everything else was irrelevant to my request.

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    Re: What They Told Us: Reviewing Last Week’s Key Polls

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    Obviously Obama likes a bill but is it the last bill standing yet? No. Just because Obama likes one bill doesn't mean it's the only bill. Were people polled "only on the bill Obama like?" No.
    Obama likes "a bill?" What was in it? Why didn't he want any discussion on the floor, he wanted Committee work done in mere weeks, a vote in Congress by August.

    Obama liked a bill that provided a single payer...correct? He's already said he would prefer a public option, correct? Must we assume the bill "he liked" included a public plan?

    Can you not even admit he made a colossal error by demanding August?

    His other serious errors:

    Turning the first press conference into a forum on the Cambridge Police.
    Allowing the race card to be played by some observers and/or participants.
    Not being detailed oriented, not having knowledge of his product.
    His math don't add up.

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    Re: What They Told Us: Reviewing Last Week’s Key Polls

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    Didn't Obama vote for the stimulus? That means he supported trillions of dollars of spending.
    I see you ignored all the arguments I made for the promises by the Democrats. I cannot say I am surprised by this.

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    What do you think is a sign of the economy improving?
    The economy will be showing signs of improving by seeing POSITIVE job growth versus NEGATIVE, POSITIVE GDP growth versus NEGATIVE, and when consumer confidence is POSITIVE versus NEGATIVE.

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    -The housing market is doing better
    Sorry dude, but this is merely wishful thinking on the part of Liberals in a desperate effort to avoid reality; that reality is that there are still vast issues in the housing market, prices continue to decline due to soft demand and as the unemployed continue NOT finding employment in an economy that hasn't created a new job since last October, they will be entering into foreclosures because they will be unable to make their payments.

    In addition, there is a looming commercial real estate crisis on the horizon with many heading to foreclosure as well.

    Wealth is continuing to disappear at alarming rates.

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    -The stock market is doing better
    If you think the irrationality of the stock market is an indicator, i would like to sell you a bridge in Arizona.

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    -I didn't know the umeployment rate ....could be turned around in nine months but I guess you think it can happen.
    I wasn't the one making the FALSE promises they would; that belongs to your guys on the Democrat side who promised fiscal responsibility, transparency in Government and the creation of 5,000,000 new high paying jobs.

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    -I didn't know......debt could be turned around in nine months but I guess you think it can happen.
    This one is quite hysterical; debt has GONE up by $2 trillion thanks to the irresponsible fiscal policies of Obama and his nonsensical Obamanomics. This isn't about turning debt around, this is about vastly increasing the debt with not one SINGLE dialogue about how to pay for the trillions these morons have spent and now wanting to spend trillions more with a healthcare program they are lying to you arguing it will almost pay for itself.

    All one need do is open their tightly closed eyes and willful denial and stop slurping the kool-aid this Administration and the media are dishing out to support the asinine policies of Liberals who obviously failed Economics and Constitutional Government 101.


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    Re: What They Told Us: Reviewing Last Week’s Key Polls

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    You don't read very well do you. I said it's unlikely for people to support every Healthcare bill proposed. That's all I said; I never said people can't discuss it.
    NO, you said people shouldn't have an opinion on the health care bill until there is a final bill.

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan
    How can people have an opinion on Health Care Reform if there is no final bill!
    So you believe that its ok for people to discuss it, but they should have no opinion on it??? How does that work??

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