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    Does Hannity'*ever* do any research?

    Y'know, all this fuming and freaking out is quite humorous, considering that the temporary pumping restrictions that were required under the Endangered Species Act ended on June 30th.

    The pumps are on, and have been for several months.

    But don't let the facts stop your funny little faux tantrums. Read 'em and weep, kids.

    U.S. DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR REALITY CHECK: CALIFORNIA’S WATER CRISIS

    RHETORIC: “TURN ON THE PUMPS”

    Q. Some people are blaming the Obama Administration’s efforts to conserve salmon populations and the delta smelt, a threatened fish, for water shortages in the Central Valley. They are asking the federal government to turn on water pumps that deliver water through the Bay Delta to Central Valley users, but which - to protect the Bay Delta and fish populations - were recently subject to temporary pumping restrictions. Why won’t the Obama Administration turn the pumps on?

    A. The pumps are on. The temporary pumping restrictions that were required under the Endangered Species Act ended on June 30th. They accounted for approximately one-quarter of 2009 water delivery shortages to farms and water users; the other three-quarters of this year’s delivery shortage
    were the result of a lack of run-off.

    Updated: September 17, 2009
    To help alleviate water shortages caused by the lack of precipitation and pumping restrictions, the federal government’s Bureau of Reclamation has helped move more than 600,000 acre feet of water to communities in most need, and is taking steps to prepare for a potential fourth year of drought.

    In addition, the Obama Administration is investing over $400 million (click here, here, and here [follow header link to find the active links]) through the President’s economic recovery plan to help modernize California’s water infrastructure, including over $40 million through the Bureau of Reclamation in emergency assistance to help water-short Central Valley farmers through the construction of temporary pipelines and pumps, new water wells, well-enhancement projects, and a groundwater monitoring effort.

    RHETORIC: “REGULATORY DROUGHT”
    Q: Is it true, as some people claim, that water shortages and high unemployment rates in California’s Central Valley are the result of a man-made, “regulatory” drought, as opposed to natural conditions?

    A. Not true. California’s water crisis is even more troubling than critics contend. The state is in its third year of a severe drought, caused by below average precipitation and significantly lower run-off into the Sacramento-San Joaquin Bay Delta. As a result, one-third less water is available to the 25
    million Californians who depend on the Bay Delta for their drinking water and for the farms in the Central Valley that produce half of the nation’s fruits and vegetables. Moreover, California’s Bay Delta is in a state of full environmental collapse and the state’s water infrastructure, built fifty years ago for a population half as large, can’t handle the stress of the current crisis.

    • For information from about historic precipitation levels and the drought’s causes, from the Bureau of Reclamation, click here, and from the California Department of Water Resources click here.

    • To read about the challenges facing California’s outdated water infrastructure and California’s Bay Delta, click here.

    • To read a Sacramento Bee editorial about the California water crisis, click here.

    [follow header link above to find the active links]
    Poor Pinhead Hannity and his minnow-brained minions. Got it wrong AGAIN!

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    Re: Senate Democrats Vote Unanimously To Destroy American Farmers, America’s Foodsupp

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    OK... Can we now put to rest the following:

    1. The reason for no water, is to save the Delta Smelt
    The reason for no water is the third consecutive year of drought. The April snow pack report used to determine water allocations for the year ahead was 66% of normal. The water allocation for the summer was set based on snow pack totals at 30% of requested amounts.

    Those with priority (oldest) water claims get 100%, those lower on the totem pole get less than even their 30%.. basically zero.

    these are all issues making for a situation of no water that are completely independent of the Delta smelt.

    I still have not been able to find a direct quote (several paraphrases), but Lester Snow (you know the head water honcho there) testified that if the Delta pumping were allowed water allocations would be at 35% instead of 30%.

    people would still be without water, and the valley would still be a dustbowl due to allocation methods which essentially means that whoever has the oldest water contracts get full water privileges, and those with later contracts are left out to dry hoping to buy excess water from the primary right holders.

    2. Environmentalist took this to court and won.
    Obviously they had a solid case.

    my guess was it was as a result of the 1973 endangered species act.. obviously not a result of the democrats in congress now (with the exception of Bryd and a cpl others perhaps), and obviously not Obama's doing, so irrelevant, this has not been up for debate.

    3. More than one piece of legislation was written and introduced to turn the water back on.
    yeah the one the Ca senator introduced is ridiculous, it basically gives Ca immunity from the Endangered Species act if exports could be harmed in any way shape or form as a result of the Act.

    I am sure the others were ridiculous as well. We are arguing about the details of a painting in a pitch black room here however.

    This is the meat of the argument here.. what were the factors for this being voted against.. I am sure it was not to deliberate starve millions of people and force a valley into desolation.

    4. The introduction last week, of an amendment to turn the water on for a year, was voted down by the senate on party lines, with the democrats voting not to include it.
    That vote contained 4 R votes, since 10% of the republicans voted against as well, this is obviously not a vote on party lines.

    Based on what I have posted, can we all agree on those four facts?
    Nope just 2 were true statements.

    And no one was arguing against either of those statements. So they are rather irrelevant.

    If not, than you live on another planet, because I have proven all 4 of them conclusively.
    Well let us know if you plan on visiting Earth anytime soon, because you have done no such thing.
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    Re: Does Hannity'*ever* do any research?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Y'know, all this fuming and freaking out is quite humorous, considering that the temporary pumping restrictions that were required under the Endangered Species Act ended on June 30th.

    The pumps are on, and have been for several months.

    But don't let the facts stop your funny little faux tantrums. Read 'em and weep, kids.



    Poor Pinhead Hannity and his minnow-brained minions. Got it wrong AGAIN!
    tell it to the farmers

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    Re: Senate Democrats Vote Unanimously To Destroy American Farmers, America’s Foodsupp

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    On a caloric basis, the central valley is completely irrelevant
    i find your wonkishness concerning the livelihoods of real people stunning

    with all due respect

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    tell it to the farmers
    The farmers (and the mouthbreathers who hang on Hannity's every word) can whine and wail and point fingers all they like - the drought wasn't created by anybody and can't be ended by anybody.

    Obama and the minnows are not the problem here.

    If you wish to register your protest with the proper authorities, please take your puling complaints to Mother Nature and see what she thinks of your partisan hysterics. Like her, we rational humans aren't interested in right-wing asshattery.


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    Re: Does Hannity'*ever* do any research?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    The farmers (and the mouthbreathers who hang on Hannity's every word) can whine and wail and point fingers all they like - the drought wasn't created by anybody and can't be ended by anybody.

    Obama and the minnows are not the problem here.
    It's not Obama, but it is a long history of government ineptitude. The drought was caused by government refusing to raise the price of water even as supplies dwindled. By not acting like a private company would, they set into motion this drought. If the government would have raised prices, then demand would have fallen and California would not be in drought condition.

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    Re: Senate Democrats Vote Unanimously To Destroy American Farmers, America’s Foodsupp

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    The farmers (and the mouthbreathers who hang on Hannity's every word) can whine and wail and point fingers all they like - the drought wasn't created by anybody and can't be ended by anybody.

    Obama and the minnows are not the problem here.

    If you wish to register your protest with the proper authorities, please take your puling complaints to Mother Nature and see what she thinks of your partisan hysterics. Like her, we rational humans aren't interested in right-wing asshattery.

    good for you

    but just try to win an election on THAT platform

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    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    It's not Obama, but it is a long history of government ineptitude. The drought was caused by government refusing to raise the price of water even as supplies dwindled. By not acting like a private company would, they set into motion this drought. If the government would have raised prices, then demand would have fallen and California would not be in drought condition.
    I hate to break it to you, but droughts are directely related to weather conditions; specifically, lack of precipitation. Politics, prices, and/or demand have absolutely nothing to do with the creation/cessation of droughts.

    Main Entry: drought
    Function: noun
    Etymology: Middle English, from Old English drūgath, from drūgian to dry up; akin to Old English drȳge dry — more at dry
    Date: before 12th century

    1 : a period of dryness especially when prolonged; specifically : one that causes extensive damage to crops or prevents their successful growth

    2 : a prolonged or chronic shortage or lack of something expected or desired

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    I hate to break it to you, but droughts are directely related to weather conditions; specifically, lack of precipitation. Politics, prices, and/or demand have absolutely nothing to do with the creation/cessation of droughts.
    But there's just one problem. A lack of precipitation is to be expected around here. Water reserves are falling, and we are running out of water. The government STILL will not raise prices. Doesn't that seem just a little crazy to you?

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    Re: Senate Democrats Vote Unanimously To Destroy American Farmers, America’s Foodsupp

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    The democrats have created food lines in this country and they voted for a mino over American farmers in the heart of Americas bread basket this would be funny if it wasn't so god damn sick. This is akin to what Stalin did to the Ukrainians and the Kulaks. It's time for a mother ****ing revolution watch your ****ing backs.
    This country's agricultural sector has been screwed ever since the government decided it was a good idea to fix prices by buying and storing grain. Then, they got even more brilliant by paying farmers not to produce.

    Economic genius. [/s]


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