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    Re: OMG! Beck Today 9-16

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If you look at the vid, it was obviously premeditated. Purdy much makes it a crime. What did ole girl say? "Before I did it, I layed some groundwork"?

    If she don't go to prison, there's something wrong.
    Without actual physical evidence there is nothing to prosecute.

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    Re: OMG! Beck Today 9-16

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    You're still not quite saying it outright but you do seem to equivocating the pre-meditated murder of abusive spouses.
    You're still trying this Miss Cleo angle? No. I've stated that there is no difference between saying you're going to kill somebody and you're going to murder them. You've admitted this. Murder is killing. That you're still looking for something to complain and bitch about is silly.

    Again you could read it differently and I could be incorrect but my reading seems even stronger this time. Do you think that those who do this should be charged with murder?
    People who talk about killing somebody?

    Do you think that if they are found guilty of something like murder or manslaughter that they should get only a very light sentence?
    No.

    This is what I was talking about.
    Your two nonsequiturs and strawman? Well that's become obvious.

    They are still murderers and even if some compassion is shown they should still be found guilty of murder and go away not for life but for at least 8 years or so, imho. They should not get a very light treatment, a partner being abusive does not excuse or nearly excuse pre-meditated murder.
    And yet I'm not at all shocked that a woman who claims to be abused would also want to kill her husband. What that has to do with the punishment she should get or what should happen to her afterward is pretty much irrelevant. What I've addressed is the fact that she claims she was beaten and wanted to/did kill her supposed abuser. Not shocking at all. Which is what I've been saying for 3 pages. Why do you make your own life so complicated?

    Well the context matters a lot. My wife was murdered by the state, my wife was killed by the state and my wife was executed by the state could have very different meanings. Killing is somewhat neutral, I don't think neutrality is right for the pre-meditated murder of a spouse. But I was more interested in your general attitude than the word.
    Save me the 9th grade English lesson. Go outside right now and tell the first person you see :

    I'm going to murder you.

    Then say :

    I'm going to kill you.

    They won't see a difference. Only you will though. Somehow.
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    Re: OMG! Beck Today 9-16

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    Did you see today's undercover ACORN video?!

    The ACORN operative casually described the pre-meditated murder of her husband!

    I'll look for a link shortly, it just broadcast.


    This person talked about having an abusive husband. Then doing "a little ground work," by making herself known to local women's shelters, then shooting him.
    What does she have to do with ACORN? Is it your suggestion that a majority of their memebers are simply immoral people? Why would they be uniquely slanted in that direction?

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    Re: OMG! Beck Today 9-16

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You're still trying this Miss Cleo angle? No. I've stated that there is no difference between saying you're going to kill somebody and you're going to murder them. You've admitted this. Murder is killing. That you're still looking for something to complain and bitch about is silly.



    People who talk about killing somebody?



    No.



    Your two nonsequiturs and strawman? Well that's become obvious.



    And yet I'm not at all shocked that a woman who claims to be abused would also want to kill her husband. What that has to do with the punishment she should get or what should happen to her afterward is pretty much irrelevant. What I've addressed is the fact that she claims she was beaten and wants to killer he supposed abuser. Not shocking at all. Which is what I've been saying for 3 pages. Why do you make your own life so complicated?



    Save me the 9th grade English lesson. Go outside right now and tell the first person you see :

    I'm going to murder you.

    Then say :

    I'm going to kill you.

    They won't see a difference. Only you will though. Somehow.
    You could have saved your time by simply saying: No this was not what I meant.

    And murder is to killing what sandwich is to food.
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    Re: OMG! Beck Today 9-16

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    You could have saved your time by simply saying: No this was not what I meant.

    And murder is to killing what sandwich is to food.
    Please carry out the exercise I prescribed?

    If you say to somebody I'm going to give you food. They'll ask 'what food?'. If you say to somebody 'I'm going to kill you'. Do you think they'll wonder whether you mean murder? Do you think they'll wonder about what typing of 'killing' you'll do towards them? Do you think they'll wonder whether you're talking about 'murdering' or 'killing' them? If the answer to all these questions is wrong. Your analogy is ridiculous.
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    Re: OMG! Beck Today 9-16

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Please carry out the exercise I prescribed?

    If you say to somebody I'm going to give you food. They'll ask 'what food?'. If you say to somebody 'I'm going to kill you'. Do you think they'll wonder what you mean?
    Depends on the context.
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    Re: OMG! Beck Today 9-16

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Depends on the context.
    No. It does not. And you know this. Please stop? You sound like your age now.

    Nobody other then yourself wonders whether you're talking about 'murdering' or 'killing' somebody when you say you want to 'kill' or 'murder' somebody.
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    Re: OMG! Beck Today 9-16

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No. It does not. And you know this. Please stop? You sound like your age now.


    Nobody other then yourself wonders whether you're talking about 'murdering' or 'killing' somebody when you say you want to 'kill' or 'murder' somebody.
    So you've never joked about such things, say if you're playing a computer game with a mate.

    Anyway the point was in the context of this woman's actions. Her actions would have been murder, the use the term killing seemed to me an ambiguity and I read it part of an equivocation of her desired actions because she was "abused".
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    Re: OMG! Beck Today 9-16

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey
    Do you know what equivocation means? You admitted that murder is killing.
    With all due respect, he said murder was killing but PREMEDITATED killing. You took his post out of context and failed to read the rest of it.

    Killing is any type of act of, well, killing, whether accidental (I ran over the man while not thinking) or on purpose (I put poison in the mans water)

    Murder is premeditated, Manslaughter is accidental. Murder=killing, manslaughter=killing, but Murder does not=manslaughter. Murder/Manslaughter are two types of killing.

    http://www.answers.com/topic/murder
    Quote Originally Posted by Murder
    The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice
    http://www.answers.com/topic/manslaughter
    Quote Originally Posted by Manslaughter
    The unlawful killing of one human by another without express or implied intent to do injury
    In the legal world, somebody is not convicting of "killing". They are convicted of murder or manslaughter.


    So in this case, it appears the killing was premeditated, therefore the act of killing was a murder.

    It was a killing, but calling it a murder would be more specific and accurate.

    I'm not trying to be a smart ass, I just got annoyed.


    Back on topic, kudos to Glenn Beck for exposing this. He's been on a roll lately.
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    Re: OMG! Beck Today 9-16

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    It was a killing,
    Good to know. No ambiguity in my words.
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