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    Re: A new study finds that a majority of physicians support the creation of a public

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    These guys disagree with you... but what do they know, one is just a Constitutional scholar, and the other is just the guy that wrote the 14th amendment.



    Did you read it this time?
    Setting aside the fact that the first guy didn't go to law school and that the floor statements of one of the authors of the 14th amendment are not dispositive of its meaning or of the intent of Congress as a whole, the fact remains that jus soli has been part of the English common law for centuries and that the current interpretation of the amendment has been repeatedly affirmed by the Supreme Court since the 19th century.
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    Re: A new study finds that a majority of physicians support the creation of a public

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Setting aside the fact that the first guy didn't go to law school and that the floor statements of one of the authors of the 14th amendment are not dispositive of its meaning or of the intent of Congress as a whole, the fact remains that jus soli has been part of the English common law for centuries and that the current interpretation of the amendment has been repeatedly affirmed by the Supreme Court since the 19th century.
    Pssss....... we are talking about the US, not England.

    PS..... we fought England to win our freedom.... just saying.

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    Re: A new study finds that a majority of physicians support the creation of a public

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Most doctors in my area refuse to accept most private insurance, the issues with them are so bad. They even prefer Medicare over them. As does my practice.
    Insurance should only cover catastrophes, not day to day medical and dental upkeep.
    Is this not common sense ?

    Administrative costs are high, BlueCross is very inefficient, uses far too much silly paperwork. Our government and the legal "profession" can ease this - people just need to think and work....and care.
    We will probably be better off with government insurance for medical catastrophes.

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    Re: A new study finds that a majority of physicians support the creation of a public

    I believe we do in fact respect common law in regards to judicial precidence. Trumbull was not the author but was considered a sponsor. Trumbull authored the 13th Amendment.
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    Re: A new study finds that a majority of physicians support the creation of a public

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Pssss....... we are talking about the US, not England.

    PS..... we fought England to win our freedom.... just saying.
    Wow. Ok.

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_law]Common law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    Read this and come back when you understand what common law is and how it develops.
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    Re: A new study finds that a majority of physicians support the creation of a public

    Is anyone aware of anything in the bill that will force doctors to take patients in the public option? I suspect that it will be much like medicare and many hospitals and doctors will simply refuse to treat people on the plan due to payment caps and long reimbursement times.

    So while you may be covered you may not recieve treament any place you wish.

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    Re: A new study finds that a majority of physicians support the creation of a public

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    Is anyone aware of anything in the bill that will force doctors to take patients in the public option? I suspect that it will be much like medicare and many hospitals and doctors will simply refuse to treat people on the plan due to payment caps and long reimbursement times.

    So while you may be covered you may not recieve treament any place you wish.
    That's a good point. There's actually already a shortage of Family practice physicians. Many doctors already are not able to take new patients. Many people moving into my area are not able to establish a relationship with a local doctor and need to go to the emergency room for any problem.

    So, we may be back to square one, and those on the so called public option will be forced to use the more expensive ER by necessity which will drive up the price of the insurance.

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    Re: A new study finds that a majority of physicians support the creation of a public

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    Is anyone aware of anything in the bill that will force doctors to take patients in the public option? I suspect that it will be much like medicare and many hospitals and doctors will simply refuse to treat people on the plan due to payment caps and long reimbursement times.

    So while you may be covered you may not recieve treament any place you wish.
    good question
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    Re: A new study finds that a majority of physicians support the creation of a public

    Not that I believe people back these things up either, but how does saying that you would be unlikely to be eager to work a difficult job for (presumably) less wages = "right-wing sentiments"? Seems like that reaction is more human than partisan to me.
    A left wing doctor would not believe that they would end up with substantially less money in the end, because any overhaul would include provisions amenable to their profession, such as reduced capacity for malpractice suits. Indeed, as is the case now, whether or not a doctor will actually receive more or less money in the end will depend largely on their position within the medical community's network; it is inevitable that many doctors, both talented and untalented, good and bad, are going to lose more money or gain more money at least somewhat arbitrarily. Hopefully more talented, ethically minded doctors will be receiving greater sums of money after the reform, but that's not really the point. The end-all-be-alls are greater affordability and coverage.

    I'm aware of the lifestyle that doctors live, but the fact remains that due to the age of their profession and their salaries, they generally have more freedom to make these choices than the average person. And where on earth are you getting the idea that the retirement of doctors in late 50's/early 60's wouldn't be missed? We need pretty much every doctor we can get, and those doctors are often among the best.
    "shrug" The need is contrived both by circumstance and certain doctor's organizations who attempt to limit the number of graduates to maintain the value of the doctors currently employed. Among other things, pass legislation to the effect of reducing medical school fees and you can accommodate any shortage. Probably (although not necessarily) expensive, but in comparison to what's being proposed, you may as well just tack it on for the sake of maximizing the reform's effectiveness. Indeed, it doesn't have to be expensive, if you are willing to be authoritarian and more or less force an end to the rampant factionalism.

    Unless a person is overflowing with compassion and prefers the life of a doctor to a retirement, any doctor would retire in their 50s/60s. There is simply nothing more to be gained from the practice after that which couldn't be acquired from investing whatever you have saved.
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