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    Re: A new study finds that a majority of physicians support the creation of a public

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Yeah, because dealing with insurance companies is such a piece of cake.

    Do you know that 30-40% of your current insured healthcare cost is administrative???
    http://www.rwjf.org/files/research/48408physician.pdf

    This study disagrees with your premise.
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    Re: A new study finds that a majority of physicians support the creation of a public

    From the study:

    Despite support for Medicare expansions and for a public option similar in design to Medicare, physicians preferred private plans to the traditional Medicare program in three areas (Table 3). The majority of physicians (62%) prefer private plans to Medicare in terms of adequacy of payments while only 9.2% preferred Medicare. Thirty-three percent of respondents believed that private insurance was better in terms of paperwork and administrative hassles compared to 28.8% of respondents who believed Medicare was superior. Physicians also believed private insurance is superior to Medicare in terms of timeliness of reimbursements (31.9% vs. 23.6%).
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    "In terms of your overall experience, which is better?"

    Private insurance: 46.4%
    Same: 22.0%
    Medicare: 21.2%
    Furthermore, it's worth stepping back and thinking for a moment about what this study is actually proving. Is anyone really surprised that doctors would generally favor a health care proposal that would increase their customer base? The main effect of the hybrid plan would be to add tens of millions of people to the pile of people already fighting to hand doctors their money. It's like conducting a survey of lawyers to see if they support a proposal to provide attorneys to indigent civil plaintiffs or a survey of autoworkers to see if they support a proposal to bail out GM.

    I'd also like to note that the thing that really caught my eye was that 90% of physicians would prefer either a totally private or hybrid plan over a single-payer system. For those of you who do support a single-payer system: how do you react to that?
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    Re: A new study finds that a majority of physicians support the creation of a public

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    From the study:



    Also:



    Furthermore, it's worth stepping back and thinking for a moment about what this study is actually proving. Is anyone really surprised that doctors would generally favor a health care proposal that would increase their customer base? The main effect of the hybrid plan would be to add tens of millions of people to the pile of people already fighting to hand doctors their money. It's like conducting a survey of lawyers to see if they support a proposal to provide attorneys to indigent civil plaintiffs or a survey of autoworkers to see if they support a proposal to bail out GM.

    I'd also like to note that the thing that really caught my eye was that 90% of physicians would prefer either a totally private or hybrid plan over a single-payer system. For those of you who do support a single-payer system: how do you react to that?

    Actually, it appears that the reasons (table 3, page 8) for preferring Medicare are patient-based (more autonomy in decisions and greater ease in obtaining services your patients need), whilst the reasons for preferring private insurance are money-based.

    So, seems like the docs want the money from private insurance, but the interests of their patients from Medicare.

    And, overall, the doc in them wins, with the majority preferring a public option be included.

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    Re: A new study finds that a majority of physicians support the creation of a public

    More disagreement.

    Investor's Business Daily

    45% Of Doctors Would Consider Quitting If Congress Passes Health Care Overhaul

    By TERRY JONES
    News Analysis by IBD | Posted Tuesday, September 15, 2009 4:30 PM PT



    Two of every three practicing physicians oppose the medical overhaul plan under consideration in Washington, and hundreds of thousands would think about shutting down their practices or retiring early if it were adopted, a new IBD/TIPP Poll has found.

    The poll contradicts the claims of not only the White House, but also doctors' own lobby the powerful American Medical Association both of which suggest the medical profession is behind the proposed overhaul.

    It also calls into question whether an overhaul is even doable; 72% of the doctors polled disagree with the administration's claim that the government can cover 47 million more people with better-quality care at lower cost.

    The IBD/TIPP Poll was conducted by mail the past two weeks, with 1,376 practicing physicians chosen randomly throughout the country taking part. Responses are still coming in, and doctors' positions on related topics including the impact of an overhaul on senior care, medical school applications and drug development will be covered later in this series.

    Major findings included:

    Two-thirds, or 65%, of doctors say they oppose the proposed government expansion plan. This contradicts the administration's claims that doctors are part of an "unprecedented coalition" supporting a medical overhaul.

    It also differs with findings of a poll released Monday by National Public Radio that suggests a "majority of physicians want public and private insurance options," and clashes with media reports such as Tuesday's front-page story in the Los Angeles Times with the headline "Doctors Go For Obama's Reform."

    Nowhere in the Times story does it say doctors as a whole back the overhaul. It says only that the AMA the "association representing the nation's physicians" and what "many still regard as the country's premier lobbying force" is "lobbying and advertising to win public support for President Obama's sweeping plan."

    The AMA, in fact, represents approximately 18% of physicians and has been hit with a number of defections by members opposed to the AMA's support of Democrats' proposed health care overhaul.

    Four of nine doctors, or 45%, said they "would consider leaving their practice or taking an early retirement" if Congress passes the plan the Democratic majority and White House have in mind.

    More than 800,000 doctors were practicing in 2006, the government says. Projecting the poll's finding onto that population, 360,000 doctors would consider quitting.



    More than seven in 10 doctors, or 71% the most lopsided response in the poll answered "no" when asked if they believed "the government can cover 47 million more people and that it will cost less money and the quality of care will be better."

    This response is consistent with critics who complain that the administration and congressional Democrats have yet to explain how, even with the current number of physicians and nurses, they can cover more people and lower the cost at the same time.

    The only way, the critics contend, is by rationing care giving it to some and denying it to others. That cuts against another claim by plan supporters that care would be better.

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    IBDeditorials.com: Editorials, Political Cartoons, and Polls from Investor's Business Daily -- 45% Of Doctors Would Consider Quitting If Congress Passes Health Care Overhaul
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    Re: A new study finds that a majority of physicians support the creation of a public

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Actually, it appears that the reasons (table 3, page 8) for preferring Medicare are patient-based (more autonomy in decisions and greater ease in obtaining services your patients need), whilst the reasons for preferring private insurance are money-based.

    So, seems like the docs want the money from private insurance, but the interests of their patients from Medicare.

    And, overall, the doc in them wins, with the majority preferring a public option be included.
    I too would love the opportunity to suckle from an ever-flowing teat. That doesn't mean that the construction of such a teat would be cost-effective.
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    Re: A new study finds that a majority of physicians support the creation of a public

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I too would love the opportunity to suckle from an ever-flowing teat. That doesn't mean that the construction of such a teat would be cost-effective.
    Isn't the ever-flowing teat private insurance? The study respondants already said they like the money from private better than from Medicare.

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    Re: A new study finds that a majority of physicians support the creation of a public

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Isn't the ever-flowing teat private insurance? The study respondants already said they like the money from private better than from Medicare.
    The "ever-flowing teat" is the proposal that would increase their customer base by several million people and result in increased physician revenue.
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    Re: A new study finds that a majority of physicians support the creation of a public

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy View Post
    More disagreement.

    That IDB / TIPP is a disgrace of a poll. In no way should you take it seriously, nor put any reliance on the 'results'. Reasons why not are enumerated well in the following article, I'll only c/p the conclusion here:



    IBD/TIPP Doctors Poll Is Not Trustworthy


    (snip ... )

    My advice would be to completely ignore this poll. There are pollsters out there that have an agenda but are highly competent, and there are pollsters that are nonpartisan but not particularly skilled. Rarely, however, do you find the whole package: that special pollster which is both biased and inept. IBD/TIPP is one of the few exceptions.

    FiveThirtyEight: Politics Done Right: IBD/TIPP Doctors Poll Is Not Trustworthy

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    Re: A new study finds that a majority of physicians support the creation of a public

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    The "ever-flowing teat" is the proposal that would increase their customer base by several million people and result in increased physician revenue.
    I understood what you meant, but dispute your premise. Most practices cost-shift to private insurance. Looking at the prospect of possibly lower re-imbursements, they are not looking at massive revenue increases.

    For most successful practices, likely the opposite. Most docs are already overbooked, utilizing PAs and RNs and popping in for only the 'meat' of appts. They are not sitting on excess, underutilized capacity in terms of patient appt scheduling.
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    Re: A new study finds that a majority of physicians support the creation of a public


    Thx for posting link to the pdf, American. I couldn't find it.

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